DUST Search - [suggestion] AFK "fix"

Kray Dytt wrote:

semperfi1999 wrote:

Your fixes and other peoples fixes are just far too complicated.

Easy fix. Remember KISS principle.

Swap the SP gain around. Right now the majority of your SP is gained by time in match (5 SP per sec) and minimal SP from WP (1SP per WP). Make it such that it should be 5 SP per WP and 1 SP per second. This would make AFKing unfruitful. Imagine AFKing in games and getting 1500 SP (if your lucky) from it? Not worth your time. But if you play well and get 3000 WP then you get 15,000 SP plus the minimal SP for time in game.

All of your other solutions are not solutions at all.....people will just change how they AFK. I admit when I dont have time to sit down and play but still need to get my SP I AFK in matches...why? Because its profitable and there is no downside to using it at all. If you can AFK and get 70-75% of the total SP you would normally get in the match and you get ISK and you get a chance for salvage then you win. But change it around and now playing well will net you a ton of SP and help you max out faster. This would also benefit newer players by the good players not playing as much when they max out fast allowing the new players to earn more WP then they normally would in a match.

BTW blaiming AFKers for taking advantage is the same as blaiming players for using Armor tanks which are virtually invincible or using OP/unbalanced weapons. Its CCPs issue that needs to be fixed.

How is this too complicated? Seems far more simple than your solution, which causes lots of issues for people who contribute in a way that gets them fewer WP. Also, as long as you get SP for being AFK, it will be "fruitful". It's not wasted time if you're not actually spending it.

And where exactly did I blame anyone or anything but the system allowing it?

The problem with SP and ISK gains based largely on how well you've played is that this demotivates newer players and people getting PUB-stomped.

And you've hit the nail on the head with "I admit when I dont have time to sit down and play but still need to get my SP I AFK in matches..". You can, so you will. Makes sense. It's not good for the game though, which is why it's being looked in to and I propose this as a fix.

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semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 349	Posted - 2013.03.14 13:35:00 - [1] - Quote Your fixes and other peoples fixes are just far too complicated. Easy fix. Remember KISS principle. Swap the SP gain around. Right now the majority of your SP is gained by time in match (5 SP per sec) and minimal SP from WP (1SP per WP). Make it such that it should be 5 SP per WP and 1 SP per second. This would make AFKing unfruitful. Imagine AFKing in games and getting 1500 SP (if your lucky) from it? Not worth your time. But if you play well and get 3000 WP then you get 15,000 SP plus the minimal SP for time in game. All of your other solutions are not solutions at all.....people will just change how they AFK. I admit when I dont have time to sit down and play but still need to get my SP I AFK in matches...why? Because its profitable and there is no downside to using it at all. If you can AFK and get 70-75% of the total SP you would normally get in the match and you get ISK and you get a chance for salvage then you win. But change it around and now playing well will net you a ton of SP and help you max out faster. This would also benefit newer players by the good players not playing as much when they max out fast allowing the new players to earn more WP then they normally would in a match. BTW blaiming AFKers for taking advantage is the same as blaiming players for using Armor tanks which are virtually invincible or using OP/unbalanced weapons. Its CCPs issue that needs to be fixed.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 350	Posted - 2013.03.14 14:39:00 - [2] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Devs are already addressing this. Try reading Updates once every so often. Once even. According to the dev notes they are addressing it by adding the anti idle system. Which is easily defeated by what the OP noted here. I have not seen them note anything further to stop AFK farming. Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: LIke the above post said, the only way to stop afk farming is to change SP gains. 4 sp for each WP and 2 sp for each second spent in game Also the losing team should have some kind of malus otherwise people won't even try to win. IMO losing a game should only give 50% isk and sp. I disagree with on losing 50% ISK and SP for losing. SP is experience points. Generally losing gives you more experience than constantly winning does so by your logic your should get an SP boost if you lose (I dont want this just noting your logic is not sound). Also ISK is already somwhat based on winning...if you win then you get more ISK for winning plus everything you kill. If you lose then you dont get the winning bonus ISK but you do get ISK for destroying suits/vehicles. You should still get that ISK because you did destroy those things.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 367	Posted - 2013.03.15 18:44:00 - [3] - Quote Kray Dytt wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Your fixes and other peoples fixes are just far too complicated. Easy fix. Remember KISS principle. Swap the SP gain around. Right now the majority of your SP is gained by time in match (5 SP per sec) and minimal SP from WP (1SP per WP). Make it such that it should be 5 SP per WP and 1 SP per second. This would make AFKing unfruitful. Imagine AFKing in games and getting 1500 SP (if your lucky) from it? Not worth your time. But if you play well and get 3000 WP then you get 15,000 SP plus the minimal SP for time in game. All of your other solutions are not solutions at all.....people will just change how they AFK. I admit when I dont have time to sit down and play but still need to get my SP I AFK in matches...why? Because its profitable and there is no downside to using it at all. If you can AFK and get 70-75% of the total SP you would normally get in the match and you get ISK and you get a chance for salvage then you win. But change it around and now playing well will net you a ton of SP and help you max out faster. This would also benefit newer players by the good players not playing as much when they max out fast allowing the new players to earn more WP then they normally would in a match. BTW blaiming AFKers for taking advantage is the same as blaiming players for using Armor tanks which are virtually invincible or using OP/unbalanced weapons. Its CCPs issue that needs to be fixed. How is this too complicated? Seems far more simple than your solution, which causes lots of issues for people who contribute in a way that gets them fewer WP. Also, as long as you get SP for being AFK, it will be "fruitful". It's not wasted time if you're not actually spending it. And where exactly did I blame anyone or anything but the system allowing it? The problem with SP and ISK gains based largely on how well you've played is that this demotivates newer players and people getting PUB-stomped. And you've hit the nail on the head with "I admit when I dont have time to sit down and play but still need to get my SP I AFK in matches..". You can, so you will. Makes sense. It's not good for the game though, which is why it's being looked in to and I propose this as a fix. Kray I am sorry perhaps you didnt realize this as maybe your a newer player. The Devs have already hinted with some of their posts that they are not interested in completely removing the SP gain per second in game. It seems that they and many other players who have argued for that system are afraid that bad players will not be able to earn much SP if they dont get some kind of SP per second in the game. As such the solutions have been changed to cater to that mindset while still making performance based play much more rewarding. 2 SP per second I believe is still too much thats why I suggested only 1 SP per second (this would be 1500 SP for a 25 min game and thats a long game). Basically this would reward AFKing the least and in fact if you add the 5 SP per WP then you suddenly make it extremely profitable to play as a good game can net you 15,000 SP just from WP. This means that a good player only had to play about 15ish games to max out their SP for that week. But it would take 192ish games to max out SP just by AFKing. That is a huge difference. Right now getting about 5000 SP per match it only takes about 39ish AFK games to max out but assuming you play really good in every game it would take you 25ish game to max out by playing. That difference is hardly significant right now but in my solution would be drastically different. Yes this system would be simple....they have the code already written its merely a change of the number from 1 SP per WP to 5 SP per WP and 5 SP per second to 1 SP per second. Your system would mean they would have to code an entire section of the game to deny your ability to obtain any SP if you are located in that portion of the map. I was just making a general statement about peoples complaints on AFKing in matches. Dont get butt hurt so fast. About your pub stomping problem..see if you play skirmish alot and max out fast you wont be playing as much skirmush unless you just like that game mode. The best gamemode to profit in is ambush once SP is maxxed out. Newbs can play skirmish and hack alot of objectives when there are fewer experienced players on and they will suddenly see rewards to hacking and they will want to hack and get more WP to increase their rewards...just rewarding then playing hard to WP which will eventually teach them how to play better in the long run.