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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.13 12:02:00 -
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I am a "skilled" tank driver (though I do not drive tank all the time)
I am a skilled AV user (though I do no run around with AV all game)
Mostly I play as infantry (heavily skilled into sidearms, lightly skilled into massdrivers and lasers)
As an AV player:
I very rarely feel on uneven ground verses tanks.
As an infantry player:
I am smart enough to AVOID being killed by tanks the vast majority of the time.
I see the mentality of a lot of tank haters to be along the lines of this:
karlossowen wrote:Not scared dude I'm not the one hiding in a tin can with 3000+ armor because I can't fight toe to toe with anyone
The above quote was taken from here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63544&find=unread
Its a tank (come on man think about it) it's supposed to elicit fear in the hearts and minds of everyone else on the battlefield. IT'S A TANK! You might want to think about running away as fast as you can.
I would much rather be playing a game with big, bad, scary tanks in it than without them (and if you think the tanks are big bad and scary now be thankful you didn't play during the missile crisis )
I love tanks, as a driver and infantry. It lends a great deal if diversity to necessary play stile to the battlefield.-á
I do not think that tanks are unbalenced at this point.
So, what the hell is deal here? It makes very little since to me.-á
Why all the tank hate? |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:14:00 -
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Ivan Avogadro wrote:from that linked thread: Quote:I'd love to see you bunch of tankers try fighting on the ground without a tank If you spend 4mil SP on HAV skills, you get a return on it. This idiot thinking is akin to "Hey, sniper! Why don't you stand in front of my HMG like a man?"
LMFAO |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:34:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:I call BS. In Skirmish they aren't too bad, but tanks dictate the flow of the match in Ambush, simply because of how small the map is, and the lack of objectives.
Tanks force you to do one of 3 things in Ambush:
-Retreat, lose positioning on a small map, and risk being pincered.
-Dedicate a squad just to make one retreat (assuming the tank user isn't stupid)
-Die horribly
This is compounded by the fact that a majority of Ambush players barely know how to deal with Infantry, much less a tank. Add on Orbitals to kill off any momentum the opposition may gain for the lols.
I quite enjoy killing tanks in ambushes... Expensive well fit tanks... Singlehandedly a good deal of the time. There is nothing more satisfying in this game IMO.
Once again I am baffled by this line of reasoning |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:44:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:And to be honest, you never see any tanks defending a key objective, or supporting the Infantry in a hot zone. They hang around at the ages of the map, or they do quick hit and run tactics, because they are scare of losing their expensive machine. 
Not my play stile as a tank driver, not what I have observed from the majority of other tank drivers. Therefore I am forced to draw tow conclusions:
1. You are not very observent
2. You have begun to believe a set of lies you have concocted in order to inflate your ego.
Could be a combination of the two as well, or you also could simply be lieing. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.13 14:22:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:I call BS. In Skirmish they aren't too bad, but tanks dictate the flow of the match in Ambush, simply because of how small the map is, and the lack of objectives.
Tanks force you to do one of 3 things in Ambush:
-Retreat, lose positioning on a small map, and risk being pincered.
-Dedicate a squad just to make one retreat (assuming the tank user isn't stupid)
-Die horribly
This is compounded by the fact that a majority of Ambush players barely know how to deal with Infantry, much less a tank. Add on Orbitals to kill off any momentum the opposition may gain for the lols. I quite enjoy killing tanks in ambushes... Expensive well fit tanks... Singlehandedly a good deal of the time. There is nothing more satisfying in this game IMO. Once again I am baffled by this line of reasoning Don't care how good you are, you're not soloing competent tank users(as you shouldn't, because they're tanks). Tanks deny a wide area in such a small map, and force you to use equipment that are useless against the standard infantry to maintain that area, which means you need cover fire, and you also risk being overrun by organized squads while dealing with them. Since the objective to to kill the opposition, this provides a massive advantage to one side assuming both teams are equally skilled, but you also have to take into consideration alot of the players you're partnered up with in Ambush simply don't know how to handle them(I'm not the best player, but it's not rare to see people shooting at shielded, healthy tanks with ARs  ). All you can do is retreat to a safe place and watch them die until the reserves are depleted.
Then your calling me a lier, is that it? |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:15:00 -
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Reserved. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:06:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:I call BS. In Skirmish they aren't too bad, but tanks dictate the flow of the match in Ambush, simply because of how small the map is, and the lack of objectives.
Tanks force you to do one of 3 things in Ambush:
-Retreat, lose positioning on a small map, and risk being pincered.
-Dedicate a squad just to make one retreat (assuming the tank user isn't stupid)
-Die horribly
This is compounded by the fact that a majority of Ambush players barely know how to deal with Infantry, much less a tank. Add on Orbitals to kill off any momentum the opposition may gain for the lols. I quite enjoy killing tanks in ambushes... Expensive well fit tanks... Singlehandedly a good deal of the time. There is nothing more satisfying in this game IMO. Once again I am baffled by this line of reasoning Don't care how good you are, you're not soloing competent tank users(as you shouldn't, because they're tanks). Tanks deny a wide area in such a small map, and force you to use equipment that are useless against the standard infantry to maintain that area, which means you need cover fire, and you also risk being overrun by organized squads while dealing with them. Since the objective to to kill the opposition, this provides a massive advantage to one side assuming both teams are equally skilled, but you also have to take into consideration alot of the players you're partnered up with in Ambush simply don't know how to handle them(I'm not the best player, but it's not rare to see people shooting at shielded, healthy tanks with ARs ). All you can do is retreat to a safe place and watch them die until the reserves are depleted. Then you're calling me a lier, is that it? So then a truly competent tank driver would be one that has never lost a tank. And it is impossible to take out an "expesive, well fit" tank singlehandedly. And all well fit tanks have competent drivers. And competent drivers never make mistakes or bite off more than they can chew, or happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just making sure I've got this all right. I'm taking notes. Proxy, proxy, proxy. AV nade, AV nade, AV nade. Swarm, Swarm. And that's how it's done. I've actually soloed well fit shield tanks with nothing but flux nades and a massdriver. The most important thing involved in soloing tanks is to have a well thought out plan, and to make proper use of the environment, and know when and when not to strike. You can pick a lot of this up from fist hand experience as a driver. I never said competent tank users would never lose a tank. Competent tank users don't get solo'd by a lone intrantry unit . Competent tank users will either kill you, retreat to cover from the team, or at the very least drive away until their shields come back up. If you're soloing a "well fit shield tank", then the tank users weren't competent.
Well then there must be VERY few "competent" tank drivers out there then, because I've soloed a good deal of them myself and have seen it done first hand many more times. One of my corpmates I roll with is an insanely good AV tank killer. He hates tanks, and destroying them and dancing in their burning carcasses is all he thinks about when there is one on the ground. |
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