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Negantropy
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.10 13:02:00 -
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Having all players in the same public matches is starting to be a problem because the veterans are playing in the same matches as the noobs. And that is Eve and the vets should be able to join noob games, but they should not want to.
What we need is higher tiers of public matches. Matches that the noobs wouldnGÇÖt want to join because they would lose too much ISK but the vets would join because the potential chance of making much more ISK in them.
I don't have a good idea about how to make higher tier matches, but maybe make it so that each time you deploy it costs say 40k but you get discounted the price of the suit. So if you deploy a 40k+ suit there is no deployment cost.
That means noobs wouldnGÇÖt want to join because they couldnGÇÖt afford the deployment cost and even if they could they would run in subpar suits.
These games would need to have no safe zones (red line or MCC) so that you couldnGÇÖt AFK stand and camp safe zones. Auto deploy, or at least the cost of deployment if you are dead after a certain amount of time. That would be to prevent AFK camping of the games.
The rewards would also have to be linked to the War Points to a higher degree then they are now.
Say the tiers are
0. Public games as they are today with low rewards
1. Deployment cost of 40k
2. Deployment cost of 100k
And so on.
Sorry if IGÇÖm the idea is a bit rambly but IGÇÖm tired and hungover.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2013.03.10 13:29:00 -
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we had something like this not so long ago cept the servers were seperated into militia/standard, adv and proto.
all the tryhard scrubs still joined the militia/standard games in topend gear
i want it back, tthat way you know who the tryhards are and who the good players are |
Negantropy
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.03.10 14:04:00 -
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A way to make the players trying to grow their epeen join higher tier is to make separate K/dr tracker for different tiers of pub matches. That way only the proto K/dr would be of any interest.
But I don't want forced splits of players. This is Eve. You should have the choice of doing things your way. So if you want to play in noob league in proto you should have the choice. But the profits should be way lower from what you could be making in a more appropriate tier.
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Chankk Saotome
CrimeWave Syndicate
196
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Posted - 2013.03.10 14:18:00 -
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Negantropy wrote:A way to make the players trying to grow their epeen join higher tier is to make separate K/dr tracker for different tiers of pub matches. That way only the proto K/dr would be of any interest.
But I don't want forced splits of players. This is Eve. You should have the choice of doing things your way. So if you want to play in noob league in proto you should have the choice. But the profits should be way lower from what you could be making in a more appropriate tier.
I can't speak for all of us out there, but yeah... because KDR means sooooooooooooo much to say... full support Logis, among others.
And rewards are based both on what you do and what's brought onto the field by the opponent. I'm gonna throw out some numbers that I know might look pretty big for the newbloods but just remember, I started with nothing in the middle of a hostile nowhere once too, and I'm at best an average "vet" now. There are people who do so much better than this.
I've had matches where I rock it over 2k WP and barely scratch 200k ISK. Even Corpmates who have had over 3k WP matches with around 250-300k ISK, hurrah. Meanwhile, had a match the other day where I got a pretty beast WP score, maybe 2600, but more significantly was rewarded with over half a million ISK because the enemy kept bringing tanks and proto AUR gear and we just kept stomping their faces despite them having more powerful gear than our average Teir1 gear. (Crushing "Try Hards" as the forums insist on calling them feels soooooo good.)
Adapt or Die, it's the New Eden motto and newbloods just need to learn it and deal with it. It's not always fun but once you do figure it out it can be so much more rewarding because of it.
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A strong man can do many things,
But the strongest knows he cannot do everything alone. |
Negantropy
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.03.10 20:04:00 -
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Off course I have been in matches that despite ouere team having had worse gear we stomped the "Try Hards".
But right now and eaven more in the future the game neads more tiers to the pubs.
Thats no difrent from Eve where missions in high sec commes in 4 diffrent levels.
People that got better gear should have a chanse to get more isk but suffer a higher risk.
PS: And yes I think k/dr i pointles 2. But lots of people don't. |
Bald Crusader Two
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.03.10 20:07:00 -
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Arguable that it's something the game designers might have considered and done something about after all these years.
Arguable. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2013.03.10 20:10:00 -
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Bald Crusader Two wrote:Arguable that it's something the game designers might have considered and done something about after all these years.
Arguable.
Indeed |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1099
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Posted - 2013.03.10 21:13:00 -
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better idea- have non-terrible matchmaking that evenly distributes organised squads and players across both teams, depending on lifetime SP
It's pretty sad when 1 team has 3 corp squads, while the other is pure randoms. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
384
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Posted - 2013.03.10 21:33:00 -
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Negantropy wrote:A way to make the players trying to grow their epeen join higher tier is to make separate K/dr tracker for different tiers of pub matches. That way only the proto K/dr would be of any interest.
But I don't want forced splits of players. This is Eve. You should have the choice of doing things your way. So if you want to play in noob league in proto you should have the choice. But the profits should be way lower from what you could be making in a more appropriate tier.
Whoa, that guy has a 15.1 KDR, wait... says here he only plays noob matches. |
Negantropy
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.03.10 21:37:00 -
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Yes. The MM should an as equal amount of squads on each team.
But spliting players by SP will be bad since there will be PvE SP sone(tm)
And I don't want to have a player in my team being ranked by his 50m skill points in flower planting. That is awsome for making isk in PvE but don't do anything for PvP.
Then its better to give players the potential chance of making much more isk whit there better gear and skill points in another match and don't go sluming in an obolet (for them) pub match.
And that is much more Eve (risk/reward) the going the easy way and separating players by SP. Since not all SP is worth the sam when it comes to killing clones. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
384
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Posted - 2013.03.10 21:38:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:better idea- have non-terrible matchmaking that evenly distributes organised squads and players across both teams, depending on lifetime SP
It's pretty sad when 1 team has 3 corp squads, while the other is pure randoms.
That already did get fixed, it's probably worse for randoms now cause the system doesn't take into consideration if the squads are actually any good. |
Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
14
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Posted - 2013.03.10 21:54:00 -
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Negantropy wrote:A way to make the players trying to grow their epeen join higher tier is to make separate K/dr tracker for different tiers of pub matches. That way only the proto K/dr would be of any interest.
But I don't want forced splits of players. This is Eve. You should have the choice of doing things your way. So if you want to play in noob league in proto you should have the choice. But the profits should be way lower from what you could be making in a more appropriate tier.
the honour system in the first reply had most of this, with no need for crap matchmaking |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
22
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Posted - 2013.03.10 21:58:00 -
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I mentioned in another thread that genuine noobs should have a protected area to start from with low rewards I.e max 50000 Isk rewards and 1000 SP and no stats I.e no K/D, no WP and no salvage. Also once you leave this 'Arena' you can not return.
After that I think you should have progessivly better rewards based on whether you are in High Sec, Low or Null. I do not like the idea of paying Isk to enter games but I do like the idea of better rewards based on the risk involved.
Finally if you use proto gear in high sec then your k/d scores do not get recorded on anybodys record including the proto wearer. Not sure if this would be a good idea or even possible but it is one way of limiting high end gear in high sec environments.
Of course the rules should be tossed for high sec in conditions of major upheaval when those areas are being fought over. |
Negantropy
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.03.10 22:37:00 -
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In my ide you don't pay to deply. If you bring a suit that cast eaqual or more then the deply cost.
That way you cant use free suits to farm the revards. And that would make eaven the losing side to use good suits since it cost them certin amount when the respawn anyway.
So if your standard suit cost 45k and you are in a deply cost 40k battel. it will be the same as in a pub match. Since your suit cort more the deply cost you pay no deployment cost.
And if the revards in 40k deply matches can reach say 2m isk in revards (for a player that gets WP). Good players will prefer this matces to get more revards.
That way less high gear players will be in the beginer stages of pub matches and noobs can get their legs under them befor they enter higher dificulty matches and gets them shot off.
And yes Bald Crusader Two, im shure that the devs have awsom ides preperd for higher tiers matches. But since they have mentiond nothing in any threds or articels I have found I entre my 0.02 isk ide to the ide poll.
And the fact that the pub matches at the moment gets slightly worse every day makes me want a sulution to the problem whit players in high end gears and supper skills and players in bad gear who haven't mange to get skilled in the game yet. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1958
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Posted - 2013.03.10 22:38:00 -
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I just say split by SP Tiers until we have Low / Null sec and competitive matchmaking options.
CCP loves bandaid fixes, so fix it with a freaking bandaid >_< |
Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
28
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Posted - 2013.03.10 22:54:00 -
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If they do sp tiers it should be like 2-3million and under are segregated. 2-3 Million plus are not. I mean at 2 or 3 million sp assuming you specialized you have enough sp for the advanced ( not just items but the basic skills + more ) of w/e class you want.
This does split the community which im not a fan of but if it had to be done id prefer it this way. You have to understand this is free to play so there will always be alot of new players coming in. By doing sp tiers we stop ourselves from seeing alot of new faces. |
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