DUST Search - [Request] Previous Caldari AR model instead

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

First one was the Gauss Rifle, and a video I saw about it made it sound more like it would fill the LMG role than an AR.

Why not both?

Amarr are going to have two mid-range rifle type weapons (Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle), there's already been a suggestion by some that the current AR is a "Light Assault Rifle" which implies there's a heavier Gallente model coming in the future, who's to say we can't get more than one Caldari weapon filling similar roles on the battlefield.

I'm pretty sure its an AR judging by the 60 round magazine; just like the current AR. I would love to have both modes used though. The devs calling our current AR an "LAR" is really interesting, I do hope it implies heavy ARs are coming.

HAR? Please, ARs right now are better than HMGs in so many ways. Against a large group of enemies at short range, not as much, but other than that, they are pretty much better. They need to buff the HMG before adding a HAR.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3125	Posted - 2013.03.09 03:24:00 - [1] - Quote This i about the upcoming Caldari AR. The old model they showed us (here) looked weirder, more unique, more interesting The model that's coming (here) looks too close to a boring real life rifle.
Jathniel G I A N T 68	Posted - 2013.03.09 03:38:00 - [2] - Quote Hm. Lore-wise, you could argue the newer model is 'more advanced', and doesn't need to be as bulky. The old model looks like it has lots of old-fashioned attachments. Seems to have an auxiliary weapon underneath, a flashlight at the top on front, and some odd 'black thing' right under that I can't recognize (maybe a bolt or a sensor). There's no discernibly comfortable place to hold, past the main grip. I'd say the model is better suited for a heavier weapon than an AR. :) But yeah, the newer model, looks boring, but is far more believably practical. lol
Rachoi HavoK Core 27	Posted - 2013.03.09 03:41:00 - [3] - Quote Caldari isnt really about looking fancy, they're about bare minimum efficiancy, and what's more bare bones than our guns today?
Kiso Okami Militaires Sans Jeux 24	Posted - 2013.03.09 04:02:00 - [4] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: This i about the upcoming Caldari AR. The old model they showed us (here) looked weirder, more unique, more interesting The model that's coming (here) looks too close to a boring real life rifle. The Second one actually feel more like what a Caldari would use, IMHO. The first one is blocky for the sake of being blocky. Also seems to be over-designed (has a flashlight scope, a "master key" attachment, grills), something I'd expect more of a Minmatar weapon. The new one actually feels more like the standard, top-of-the-line NATO weapon; it's bare-bones, doesn't have excessive material use (I'm pretty sure Caldari are all about efficiency and profit) and it's intended function is unmistakeable (did I mention the old Caldari AR looks like our modern-day shotguns?). Rachoi wrote: Caldari isnt really about looking fancy, they're about bare minimum efficiancy, and what's more bare bones than our guns today? Most NATO standard weapons arepretty much bare-bones by default. Hmm... was that what you were saying?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3126	Posted - 2013.03.09 04:06:00 - [5] - Quote Rachoi wrote: Caldari isnt really about looking fancy, they're about bare minimum efficiancy, and what's more bare bones than our guns today? If we lived 100 yrs in the future when our guns looked radically different and scifi, and we were playing some scifi game like Dust set thousands of years in the future, you'd make the same argument and say your current guns are what define the bare minimum. What does the way the gun looks have to do with efficiency? it doesn't actually effect the performance of the weapon since its just a game. Its just about preference. And Caldari are not about minimum efficiency, they're about maximum efficiency at the cost of extra comforts. The first gun looks pretty damn clunky and uncomfortable, makes it a perfect fit for the Caldari.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3126	Posted - 2013.03.09 04:20:00 - [6] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Hm. Lore-wise, you could argue the newer model is 'more advanced', and doesn't need to be as bulky. The old model looks like it has lots of old-fashioned attachments. Seems to have an auxiliary weapon underneath, a flashlight at the top on front, and some odd 'black thing' right under that I can't recognize (maybe a bolt or a sensor). There's no discernibly comfortable place to hold, past the main grip. I'd say the model is better suited for a heavier weapon than an AR. :) But yeah, the newer model, looks boring, but is far more believably practical. lol Uncomfortable completely fits Caldari, just read the assault dropsuit's description. What is believable by our real standards isn't necessarily the same thousands of years ago. No reason a gun has to look like a real life rifle, especially when civilization had to restart from scratch after the collapse of the EVE gate, and guns had to be independently developed without our old gun designs as an influence. The flash light looking thing is a camera, much light the sights on some of the current ARs. Here's more details on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpJQjwKs6Kg
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1229	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:17:00 - [7] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: This i about the upcoming Caldari AR. The old model they showed us (here) looked weirder, more unique, more interesting. Click here to see the video of it to see what each part does. The model that's coming (here) looks too close to a boring real life rifle. No, that's from Templar One. That's a Mk25 Gauss Rifle that can be wielded by civilians. At one point Vince is trying to tread water in a pool while holding one of those over his head. Previous Video DevBlogs have emphasized that our weapons are far too powerful for normal humans to use, and would in fact hurt or kill them if they tried. I'm pretty damn sure that was never intended to be in game for us to use. Just a nice piece of artwork to go with the part of the book.
WyrmHero1945 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 33	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:38:00 - [8] - Quote The skinny rifle looks more badass than the fat one imo.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1062	Posted - 2013.03.09 08:31:00 - [9] - Quote I like either, the new model looks more akin to the Caldari's style as of the V3 re-shading and the recent retextures. If you compare it to the current ships in Eve Online (hell, even the fighter bomber) it looks a lot more relevant. The old model (gauss rifle) makes more sense on a lore stand-point in that it operates on electromagnetic coils (railgun tech!). According to what I've heard it's only supposed to have 10 rounds in the magazine, so it's probably going to be a semi-automatic weapon that has longer range than the Gallente Assault Rifle which (assuming traditional Gallente combat style) is more for up-close and personal conflicts. I think it'll be a hard choice to choose between the Caldari Gauss Rifle and the Amarrian Scrambler Rifle =)
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 535	Posted - 2013.03.09 08:37:00 - [10] - Quote Well to be honest, that video has a bunch of weapon add ons, I mean, an under barrel shotgun, ECM Jammer, and Grenade Launcher. And the new CA AR looks like rough cut straight off the drawing board with minimal rendering and details. I think the second is just a work in progress. http://dust514.com/media/concept-art/gallente-assault-rifle/ Put the two works side by side and you will see what I mean.

Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1062	Posted - 2013.03.09 08:44:00 - [11] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Well to be honest, that video has a bunch of weapon add ons, I mean, an under barrel shotgun, ECM Jammer, and Grenade Launcher. And the new CA AR looks like rough cut straight off the drawing board with minimal rendering and details. I think the second is just a work in progress. http://dust514.com/media/concept-art/gallente-assault-rifle/ Put the two works side by side and you will see what I mean. Still curious as to what happened to the original assault rifle used in the old E3 trailers. And for that matter, the old Caldari Assault Suits (the black ones with the antennas on the helmet)
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 535	Posted - 2013.03.09 08:47:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: And for that matter, the old Caldari Assault Suits (the black ones with the antennas on the helmet) http://www.eveonline.com/creations/fiction/blood-and-ash/ I wasn't too deep in closed beta...but are these the things, although these aren't amarr.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1062	Posted - 2013.03.09 09:34:00 - [13] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: And for that matter, the old Caldari Assault Suits (the black ones with the antennas on the helmet) http://www.eveonline.com/creations/fiction/blood-and-ash/ I wasn't too deep in closed beta...but are these the things, although these aren't amarr. SPESSS MEREEEENSSS - ATTACK! I dunno. Looks kinda shoddy from a technological view. Kinda reminds me of Starship Troopers in a way.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. 32	Posted - 2013.03.09 09:49:00 - [14] - Quote They're both nice designs but the second one looks to close to Gallente, too many smooth curves. The problem with the first is that it has too many bells and whistles but it definitely looks more Caldari. My vote goes to the first design, the Gauss Rifle.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1910	Posted - 2013.03.09 11:36:00 - [15] - Quote First one was the Gauss Rifle, and a video I saw about it made it sound more like it would fill the LMG role than an AR. Why not both? Amarr are going to have two mid-range rifle type weapons (Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle), there's already been a suggestion by some that the current AR is a "Light Assault Rifle" which implies there's a heavier Gallente model coming in the future, who's to say we can't get more than one Caldari weapon filling similar roles on the battlefield.
Jathniel G I A N T 69	Posted - 2013.03.09 11:39:00 - [16] - Quote Just want the new weapons, and a new build already... :/
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3131	Posted - 2013.03.09 11:48:00 - [17] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: First one was the Gauss Rifle, and a video I saw about it made it sound more like it would fill the LMG role than an AR. Why not both? Amarr are going to have two mid-range rifle type weapons (Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle), there's already been a suggestion by some that the current AR is a "Light Assault Rifle" which implies there's a heavier Gallente model coming in the future, who's to say we can't get more than one Caldari weapon filling similar roles on the battlefield. I'm pretty sure its an AR judging by the 60 round magazine; just like the current AR. I would love to have both modes used though. The devs calling our current AR an "LAR" is really interesting, I do hope it implies heavy ARs are coming.
Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 101	Posted - 2013.03.09 13:57:00 - [18] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First one was the Gauss Rifle, and a video I saw about it made it sound more like it would fill the LMG role than an AR. Why not both? Amarr are going to have two mid-range rifle type weapons (Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle), there's already been a suggestion by some that the current AR is a "Light Assault Rifle" which implies there's a heavier Gallente model coming in the future, who's to say we can't get more than one Caldari weapon filling similar roles on the battlefield. I'm pretty sure its an AR judging by the 60 round magazine; just like the current AR. I would love to have both modes used though. The devs calling our current AR an "LAR" is really interesting, I do hope it implies heavy ARs are coming. HAR? Please, ARs right now are better than HMGs in so many ways. Against a large group of enemies at short range, not as much, but other than that, they are pretty much better. They need to buff the HMG before adding a HAR.
Jathniel G I A N T 70	Posted - 2013.03.09 20:14:00 - [19] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: First one was the Gauss Rifle, and a video I saw about it made it sound more like it would fill the LMG role than an AR. Why not both? Amarr are going to have two mid-range rifle type weapons (Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle), there's already been a suggestion by some that the current AR is a "Light Assault Rifle" which implies there's a heavier Gallente model coming in the future, who's to say we can't get more than one Caldari weapon filling similar roles on the battlefield. I'm pretty sure its an AR judging by the 60 round magazine; just like the current AR. I would love to have both modes used though. The devs calling our current AR an "LAR" is really interesting, I do hope it implies heavy ARs are coming. HAR? Please, ARs right now are better than HMGs in so many ways. Against a large group of enemies at short range, not as much, but other than that, they are pretty much better. They need to buff the HMG before adding a HAR. Why? A HAR also implies that only Heavies will use it. It will finally allow Heavies to sit on Assaults as intended. lol IF a HAR is coming of course.
Kazeno Rannaa Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 152	Posted - 2013.03.09 22:11:00 - [20] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: This i about the upcoming Caldari AR. The old model they showed us (here) looked weirder, more unique, more interesting. Click here to see the video of it to see what each part does. The model that's coming (here) looks too close to a boring real life rifle. I tweeted the CCP art director that is designing this new CA AR, and I asked him whether or not we will be receiving both or just the new one. No answer as of yet, but I would like to see both.



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