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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:45:00 -
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When I say buff, I mean ANYTHING to improve the suit, or justify the cost of it compared to the B- Series.
B- Series = 40,560 ISK ( 2 high slots, 2 low slots, 0 equipment, CPU 216 )
Proto = 246,800 ISK ( 3 high slots, 2 low slots, 0 equipment, CPU 270 )
Difference = 206,240
What Proto suits gets for the 206k: 54 more CPU, 11 more PG, 1 high slot.
People say stuff like "Oh the Heavy is a walking tank so that justifies the cost"... funny thing about this statement is that the Type 2 has the same HP as Proto and that costs 13,320 ISK.
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Let's compare the Assault B- Series and Proto, and see what they get for their money.
B- series = 20,680 ISK ( 3 high slots, 2 low slots, 1 equipment, CPU 231)
Proto = 91,200 ISK ( 4 high slots, 3 low slots, 2 equipment, CPU 330)
Difference = 70,520 ISK
What Proto suits get for that 70k ISK: 99 more CPU, 20 more PG, 1 high slot, 1 low slot, 1 equipment slot.
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As you can see, the Proto heavy costs more than twice the amount of the Assault proto, and gets almost nothing extra compared to the B- Series...in fact, the heavy Proto resembles more the Assault Beries, minus the equipment slot, and that cost 20k ISK.
Even the blindest of Assault fanboys can't argue that the price is WAY too high for what heavies actually get in their Proto suit. CCP either needs to buff the suit ( more CPU, more slots, something!) or lower the price drastically.
It's not a matter of "Oh you're suppose to have 40+ million ISK by now, so you can afford it". It's a matter of not feeling ripped off to use a suit that every other class uses because it actually gives them an advantage! You think 1 high slot does anything? Please!
I'm curious to see the arguments from people against a Heavy buff now. How can
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Mortal Maximus
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:49:00 -
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He has a good point ^ O.O . |
Mr Zitro
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:49:00 -
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Other suits are worse off like the scout and should get a buff first. At least your type2 suits work, proto scout can't fit anything good without a CPU chip. |
Mr Zitro
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:50:00 -
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Mortal Maximus wrote:He has a good point ^ O.O . There has been some many good points on a lot of other things in this game and yet CCP didn't listen so why start now? |
MassiveNine
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:09:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Other suits are worse off like the scout and should get a buff first. At least your type2 suits work, proto scout can't fit anything good without a CPU chip.
I beg to differ. We have a proto scout guy and he seems to do just fine. I think the cost of the weapon itself need to be adjusted as well. If you die once in a full proto suit (Suit, Weapon, etc..) you are losing money no questions asked. I mean my proto HMG costs the same as a militia dropship... some thing isn't right. |
undeadsoldier90
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:14:00 -
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+1 for someone with brains.......
the proto heavy is ****.... i had to switch to assault just because of this......
btw zitro proto scout is bad ass....... idk wtf you talking about lol. |
KaoticKrusader
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:15:00 -
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+1
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:18:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Other suits are worse off like the scout and should get a buff first. At least your type2 suits work, proto scout can't fit anything good without a CPU chip.
First? Why first? Not like there's a queue of what suit needs to be fixed first or last. My argument is about the suit I use, or rather the suit I want to use.
Its problem is CPU... a simple solution is a CPU upgrade, and with 3 low slots...I don't see a big problem tbh.
What's the solution for a Proto Heavy suit costing 2.5 times as much as the Proto scout?
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KryptixX
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:31:00 -
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I support this thread! |
Stinker Butt
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:36:00 -
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I agree |
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Mr Zitro
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:00:00 -
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Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
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Don Von Hulio
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:01:00 -
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OR, just lower its price. But that likely wont matter once the open market comes along, so i would suggest stocking up on anything you like or anything you think will be worth money in the future.
If they are going to keep the market like EvEs. People will have to make the equipments, and before that... they will need the required skills and materials first. I hope it will eventually come to something like this. As of now, unless you only want to use officer, all it takes is time and SP. Money is easy, and even easier in EvE. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:16:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
So you're actually saying the cost is fine on Heavy Proto suits? LOOOOL
Good one
But feel free to make a thread about scout suits and tanks. I made this thread to show that heavies get nothing for their money compared to Assault suits. |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:21:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
So you're actually saying the cost is fine on Heavy Proto suits? LOOOOL Good one But feel free to make a thread about scout suits and tanks. I made this thread to show that heavies get nothing for their money compared to Assault suits.
It's funny when you compare heavy and assault suits That's like me comparing my armor tank to shield tank.
I'm simply saying there are bigger problems and solving your proto heavy suit adds little to now value on the game. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:25:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
So you're actually saying the cost is fine on Heavy Proto suits? LOOOOL Good one But feel free to make a thread about scout suits and tanks. I made this thread to show that heavies get nothing for their money compared to Assault suits. It's funny when you compare heavy and assault suits That's like me comparing my armor tank to shield tank. I'm simply saying there are bigger problems and solving your proto heavy suit adds little to now value on the game.
Well free to make threads about those problems. Unless you're planning on going to every thread on the forum to say "there are bigger problems than yours."
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Stinker Butt
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:32:00 -
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There are a lot of adjustments that need to happen in the game. It isn't the OP's job to discuss them all. And I don't see why he should wait until everything else is fixed to talk about the thing that bothers him. |
Mr Zitro
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:35:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
So you're actually saying the cost is fine on Heavy Proto suits? LOOOOL Good one But feel free to make a thread about scout suits and tanks. I made this thread to show that heavies get nothing for their money compared to Assault suits. It's funny when you compare heavy and assault suits That's like me comparing my armor tank to shield tank. I'm simply saying there are bigger problems and solving your proto heavy suit adds little to now value on the game. Well free to make threads about those problems. Unless you're planning on going to every thread on the forum to say "there are bigger problems than yours." This is a common problem with people, they don't understand. This is a general discussion on how complaining about prices is stupid. You can't counter my argument so you say make your own thread. I'm saying make a better argument, it's pretty weak, if you really want it to be fixed |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:43:00 -
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******* lance using logic and reasoning on the dust forums gtfo! :P +1 |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:45:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
So you're actually saying the cost is fine on Heavy Proto suits? LOOOOL Good one But feel free to make a thread about scout suits and tanks. I made this thread to show that heavies get nothing for their money compared to Assault suits. It's funny when you compare heavy and assault suits That's like me comparing my armor tank to shield tank. I'm simply saying there are bigger problems and solving your proto heavy suit adds little to now value on the game. Well free to make threads about those problems. Unless you're planning on going to every thread on the forum to say "there are bigger problems than yours." This is a common problem with people, they don't understand. This is a general discussion on how complaining about prices is stupid. You can't counter my argument so you say make your own thread. I'm saying make a better argument, it's pretty weak, if you really want it to be fixed
Counter your argument??? What argument? You went on about scout suits and tanks, and talking about how other stuff needs fixing first. What justifies the cost of the Proto Heavy suit? Till you answer that, you have no argument.
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crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:52:00 -
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wait buf all 4 of them? or just the ammar one? wouldn't waiting for all 4 heavies to be released next month for balance changes make more sense? |
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Coleman Gray
Coalition Of Goverments
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:52:00 -
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we definatley require a bugg to even the playing field, we're slower than everyone else, and honestly all the "tank" people say we have mean nothing when an assault can use a duvolle with dmg mods and kill you as soon as they see you near enough.
We either need more mods to even the field or more HP ect like they used to, or simply to take less damage than theo ther suits |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:55:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:we definatley require a bugg to even the playing field, we're slower than everyone else, and honestly all the "tank" people say we have mean nothing when an assault can use a duvolle with dmg mods and kill you as soon as they see you near enough.
We either need more mods to even the field or more HP ect like they used to, or simply to take less damage than theo ther suits lolwut? You HMG is OP nuff salad hold the mayo |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:55:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:wait buf all 4 of them? or just the ammar one? wouldn't waiting for all 4 heavies to be released next month for balance changes make more sense?
All four heavies... did CCP say this or are people assuming stuff again? I don't expect to see this anytime "SoonGäó" if CCP didn't mention it.
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Mark Burkhart
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:56:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
you cant honestly sit there and say that a 200000 isk dropsuit witch costs about the same as one of your milita tank chassis is worth it though when we sit there and and have less effectiveness than almost any other suit on the feild.
also! i really dont care that your little scoutshotgun that guy that runs around jumping over gunfire can rush a assault or a heavy and just 2 shot them you may have the same stats as a advanced assault but thats not as bad as saying the proto assault suit can allmost match the stats of the proto heavys and still do more dmg and are mobile and cost a **** ton less than the VK-1
you also cant really wine about your tank when its only lvl 3 you dont even really have a proto tank yet and still wipe the floor with most of the guys on the ground, so dont give me this bs. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:56:00 -
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Yay Adski wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:we definatley require a bugg to even the playing field, we're slower than everyone else, and honestly all the "tank" people say we have mean nothing when an assault can use a duvolle with dmg mods and kill you as soon as they see you near enough.
We either need more mods to even the field or more HP ect like they used to, or simply to take less damage than theo ther suits lolwut? You HMG is OP nuff salad hold the mayo
Smh + a facedesk
Please, let's not make this another HMG IS OP!!!!! thread. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:57:00 -
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KryptixX wrote:I support this thread!
i'm with the Imperfect |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:06:00 -
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lol at zitro's "it need's a CPU chip", someone has to use them. |
Mr Zitro
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:09:00 -
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How can put this in caveman... Assault isn't a heavy Heavy isn't an assault You can't compare the two
Why does my proto tank cost so much? So people don't spam them in pubs. What is so hard to understand about that? Do I need to add pictures?
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
750
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:15:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:How can put this in caveman... Assault isn't a heavy Heavy isn't an assault You can't compare the two
Why does my proto tank cost so much? So people don't spam them in pubs. What is so hard to understand about that? Do I need to add pictures?
So your arguments for tanks is so people don't spam them in pubs? So you think Proto heavies = proto tank? SMFH...honestly, you try to act all smart but you're an idiot, sorry.
People actually think heavies are tanks? Don't know what rock you been living under, but I'm pretty sure Proto Assault >>>> Proto Heavies anyday.
A proto heavy most times than not, get killed by a proto assault in a 1v1. You know this, and I know this, and every heavy out there know this.
So it's ok to spam proto assault suits, but to spam an inferior suit is taboo? Your logic is fail.
No **** Heavy =/= Assault, hence I compared the 2. If they were the same I won't compare...derp. But you fail to see what I was comparing I guess. I was comparing what you get for your money.
Go back and read, then comeback with your stale insults again. |
Xander Mercy
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:17:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote: Do I need to add pictures?
yes |
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