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Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:44:00 -
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Saw this in the Gathering Forces trailer and figured it was just a fluke since it only featured Assault Dropsuits to begin with; then I saw this screenshot on the new devblog.
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/64244/1/F2.jpg
That's no Heavy glove, I can promise you that much - cross that with the shield/armor HP values and I can safely say....
Devhacks. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1888
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:46:00 -
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Caldari Large Frame Dropsuit (designation TBA).
See the IGN interview where they discuss "frame sizes" and mention that each race will have at least one suit within each size bracket. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
167
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:47:00 -
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It's just a strong little assault dude or dudette |
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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:51:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Caldari Large Frame Dropsuit (designation TBA).
See the IGN interview where they discuss "frame sizes" and mention that each race will have at least one suit within each size bracket.
^^^ Hum, don't know what that's all about (link please) but:
Perhaps one of the racial assault variants has a heavy gun slot. I'd dig that. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
1053
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:52:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Caldari Large Frame Dropsuit (designation TBA).
See the IGN interview where they discuss "frame sizes" and mention that each race will have at least one suit within each size bracket.
Caldari Heavy???
Swear if it's not going to have an original model and just be another re-skin like everything else I'm going to be irritated. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1888
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:57:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Caldari Large Frame Dropsuit (designation TBA).
See the IGN interview where they discuss "frame sizes" and mention that each race will have at least one suit within each size bracket. ^^^ Hum, don't know what that's all about (link please) but: Perhaps one of the racial assault variants has a heavy gun slot. I'd dig that. Assault isn't a frame size.
The current Assault and Logi suits are confirmed to both be "medium frame size" suits.
New Racial MEDIUMS might have a different approach from either the Assault or Logi suits we have now. Just like any upcoming Small suits might work significantly different from the current Scout. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
215
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:38:00 -
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Surely a "large frame caldari suit" would have more shielding and armor than a standard caldari assault suit ! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1892
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:40:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely a "large frame caldari suit" would have more shielding and armor than a standard caldari assault suit ! Caldari = shield tanks.
Might not be much better at Armour, but almost certainly getting a shield increase. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
1055
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:46:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely a "large frame caldari suit" would have more shielding and armor than a standard caldari assault suit ! Caldari = shield tanks. Might not be much better at Armour, but almost certainly getting a shield increase.
-Rubs fingertips together sadistically- And my Flux Grenades will be waiting. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:47:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Caldari Large Frame Dropsuit (designation TBA).
See the IGN interview where they discuss "frame sizes" and mention that each race will have at least one suit within each size bracket. ^^^ Hum, don't know what that's all about (link please) but: Perhaps one of the racial assault variants has a heavy gun slot. I'd dig that. Assault isn't a frame size. The current Assault and Logi suits are confirmed to both be "medium frame size" suits. New Racial MEDIUMS might have a different approach from either the Assault or Logi suits we have now. Just like any upcoming Small suits might work significantly different from the current Scout. Also, the hand looks distinctly like the current Caldari suit, which suggests it's a new Caldari suit with a Heavy slot. When a Caldari Large Frame is confirmed to be in the works by a dev interview, that seems more likely than a non-Caldari Assault suit that has a Heavy slot and still looks like the Caldari suit.
Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1892
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:48:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely a "large frame caldari suit" would have more shielding and armor than a standard caldari assault suit ! Caldari = shield tanks. Might not be much better at Armour, but almost certainly getting a shield increase. -Rubs fingertips together sadistically- And my Flux Grenades will be waiting. And while you wait, there are plenty of shield-tanked Amarr Heavies you can hunt. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
1055
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:53:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely a "large frame caldari suit" would have more shielding and armor than a standard caldari assault suit ! Caldari = shield tanks. Might not be much better at Armour, but almost certainly getting a shield increase. -Rubs fingertips together sadistically- And my Flux Grenades will be waiting. And while you wait, there are plenty of shield-tanked Amarr Heavies you can hunt.
There's not much hunt in something that gives up and keels over |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
3031
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:56:00 -
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Correction All races will have their own variant of every 'base'
Now the only thing that's going to be drastically different from race to race are weapon systems.
There wont be a minmatar forge gun instead the minmatar use an anti-material rifle for their heavy high damage anti vehicle dumbfire weapon. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
1055
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Correction All races will have their own variant of every 'base'
Now the only thing that's going to be drastically different from race to race are weapon systems.
There wont be a minmatar forge gun instead the minmatar use an anti-material rifle for their heavy high damage anti vehicle dumbfire weapon.
Can totally see that. A scopeless, giant of a rifle with a low fire rate but damage rivaling that of a Forge Gun.
Long as it has a nuclear warhead on the tip of the round (adhering to the lore) I'll gladly use it ^_^ |
Vicarrah - Dust
Suffer Inc.
13
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:56:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Correction All races will have their own variant of every 'base'
Now the only thing that's going to be drastically different from race to race are weapon systems.
There wont be a minmatar forge gun instead the minmatar use an anti-material rifle for their heavy high damage anti vehicle dumbfire weapon. Can totally see that. A scopeless, giant of a rifle with a low fire rate but damage rivaling that of a Forge Gun. Long as it has a nuclear warhead on the tip of the round (adhering to the lore) I'll gladly use it ^_^
Oh Man, Minmatar Arty-Heavy. Want. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1895
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:05:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing.
Also, never said anything about assault being a frame size. Racial variant was what i said. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/05/dust-514-dropsuits-make-the-man
Skip to 1:00 for the bit about frame size.
And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. Depending what the Gallente medium frame turns out to be (possibly Pilot), it's possible that there will be 4 different medium frame size suits with each one filling a totally unique role on the battlefield. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
215
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:25:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely a "large frame caldari suit" would have more shielding and armor than a standard caldari assault suit ! Caldari = shield tanks. Might not be much better at Armour, but almost certainly getting a shield increase. My point being that the one shown is displaying stats of an assault (medium frame) suit, not a heavy (large frame). |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
215
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:32:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing.
Also, never said anything about assault being a frame size. Racial variant was what i said. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/05/dust-514-dropsuits-make-the-manSkip to 1:00 for the bit about frame size. And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. Depending what the Gallente medium frame turns out to be (possibly Pilot), it's possible that there will be 4 different medium frame size suits with each one filling a totally unique role on the battlefield. Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers.
My opinion anyway. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
331
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Posted - 2013.03.09 03:35:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely a "large frame caldari suit" would have more shielding and armor than a standard caldari assault suit ! Caldari = shield tanks. Might not be much better at Armour, but almost certainly getting a shield increase. My point being that the one shown is displaying stats of an assault (medium frame) suit, not a heavy (large frame).
I'm pretty sure it was one of these:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i355445-QA-God-Suit-details.html
Check out the item database to get a glimpse of the possible future. They are items already in Tranquility's data banks:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/c350001-Infantry-details.html |
Kas Croixe
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.03.09 03:46:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing.
Also, never said anything about assault being a frame size. Racial variant was what i said. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/05/dust-514-dropsuits-make-the-manSkip to 1:00 for the bit about frame size. And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. Depending what the Gallente medium frame turns out to be (possibly Pilot), it's possible that there will be 4 different medium frame size suits with each one filling a totally unique role on the battlefield. Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers. My opinion anyway.
for all we know the "small" frame suit for minmatar could be their assault, based not so much on tanking hits with a shield like the caldari's assault we've been using, but on quick, hit and run guerilla tactics. |
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Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
1062
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:22:00 -
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Kas Croixe wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing.
Also, never said anything about assault being a frame size. Racial variant was what i said. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/05/dust-514-dropsuits-make-the-manSkip to 1:00 for the bit about frame size. And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. Depending what the Gallente medium frame turns out to be (possibly Pilot), it's possible that there will be 4 different medium frame size suits with each one filling a totally unique role on the battlefield. Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers. My opinion anyway. for all we know the "small" frame suit for minmatar could be their assault, based not so much on tanking hits with a shield like the caldari's assault we've been using, but on quick, hit and run guerilla tactics.
That wouldn't make much sense - I'd picture the Minmatar 'small' frame to be a faster, shield-reliant scout with a -VERY- tiny profile. They practice Skirmish warfare after all.
Edit: re-reading your post enlightened me a bit more. My mistake. Meant to convey that it'd more than likely be a Scout type than an Assault =P |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1909
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:36:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing.
Also, never said anything about assault being a frame size. Racial variant was what i said. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/05/dust-514-dropsuits-make-the-manSkip to 1:00 for the bit about frame size. And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. Depending what the Gallente medium frame turns out to be (possibly Pilot), it's possible that there will be 4 different medium frame size suits with each one filling a totally unique role on the battlefield. Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers. My opinion anyway. You SO missed the point.
At the moment, Minmatar only have one suit type. That suit is a medium frame, the Logi. They'll also get a large frame (similar in size to the current Amarr Heavy e already have) and a small frame (with a similar profile to the Gallente Scout). These suits will have unique stats of their own, just like the current racial variants in each size.
Pilot suit might be Gallente's medium frame suit, and with the Command suit being confirmed to be called the Crusader suit, it seems likely to be Amarr. Probably also medium frame, giving each faction a medium suit with its own unique role.
There's also the fact that it was "at least" one suit for each frame size, though, so there may be additional suits in any frame size, meaning a non-Logi Minmatar medium is also a possibility. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
1062
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:58:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing.
Also, never said anything about assault being a frame size. Racial variant was what i said. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/05/dust-514-dropsuits-make-the-manSkip to 1:00 for the bit about frame size. And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. Depending what the Gallente medium frame turns out to be (possibly Pilot), it's possible that there will be 4 different medium frame size suits with each one filling a totally unique role on the battlefield. Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers. My opinion anyway. You SO missed the point. At the moment, Minmatar only have one suit type. That suit is a medium frame, the Logi. They'll also get a large frame (similar in size to the current Amarr Heavy e already have) and a small frame (with a similar profile to the Gallente Scout). These suits will have unique stats of their own, just like the current racial variants in each size. Pilot suit might be Gallente's medium frame suit, and with the Command suit being confirmed to be called the Crusader suit, it seems likely to be Amarr. Probably also medium frame, giving each faction a medium suit with its own unique role. There's also the fact that it was "at least" one suit for each frame size, though, so there may be additional suits in any frame size, meaning a non-Logi Minmatar medium is also a possibility.
Oh god I hope it's not like that. They already ruined a lot of people's hopes by making the "raider" scout and "shock" assault into pre-fit aurum deals (and 99% sure that the rest of those suits, such as the Atlas/Titan heavy, will be similar).
We need -MORE- diverse specialization, not less. If we make unique suits to cop out of the 'racial' dropsuits with Pilot being the Gallente Medium (as silly as that sounds) and some completely different dropsuit variant as the Gallente Heavy, it's going to take a lot of immersion out of the game.
I find it very hard to believe that the Gallente's ground forces would only field a Scout, Pilot and some random Heavy type that didn't act as a heavy does, instead having some unique 'playstyle'.
I'm all for the Pilot/Crusader suits, but this would be copping out of a really good implementation.
Gallente Assault would be faster, more armor based and damage focused than the Caldari Assault suit, which should be well shielded (type-II being primarch to this) with heavy emphasis on out-distancing the Gallente Assault Suit.
Just my thoughts.
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Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
215
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Posted - 2013.03.10 09:51:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing.
Also, never said anything about assault being a frame size. Racial variant was what i said. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/05/dust-514-dropsuits-make-the-manSkip to 1:00 for the bit about frame size. And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. Depending what the Gallente medium frame turns out to be (possibly Pilot), it's possible that there will be 4 different medium frame size suits with each one filling a totally unique role on the battlefield. Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers. My opinion anyway. You SO missed the point. At the moment, Minmatar only have one suit type. That suit is a medium frame, the Logi. They'll also get a large frame (similar in size to the current Amarr Heavy e already have) and a small frame (with a similar profile to the Gallente Scout). These suits will have unique stats of their own, just like the current racial variants in each size. Pilot suit might be Gallente's medium frame suit, and with the Command suit being confirmed to be called the Crusader suit, it seems likely to be Amarr. Probably also medium frame, giving each faction a medium suit with its own unique role. There's also the fact that it was "at least" one suit for each frame size, though, so there may be additional suits in any frame size, meaning a non-Logi Minmatar medium is also a possibility. I'm sorry what point did I miss ?
This one ...
Garrett Blacknova wrote:And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. So the Amarr have spent how many years going to war with nothing but scouts, heavies and commanders sat in their MCCs and Minmatar have battled without sidearms on their medium frame suits, they didn't at some point think hey it's great carrying all this equipment n all but I'm screwed if I carry a sniper or AV weapon ... no they would have needed a more versatile suit with less equipment and a sidearm slot to take that sidearm they made ... the SMG. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
394
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Posted - 2013.03.10 11:04:00 -
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DEVsuit is the simple explanation but holy hell I hope they don't let anything smaller than a heavy suit carry heavy weapons. The last thing this game needs is a bunch of assault suits running around with forge guns. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1924
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Posted - 2013.03.10 13:06:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers.
My opinion anyway. You SO missed the point. At the moment, Minmatar only have one suit type. That suit is a medium frame, the Logi. They'll also get a large frame (similar in size to the current Amarr Heavy e already have) and a small frame (with a similar profile to the Gallente Scout). These suits will have unique stats of their own, just like the current racial variants in each size. Pilot suit might be Gallente's medium frame suit, and with the Command suit being confirmed to be called the Crusader suit, it seems likely to be Amarr. Probably also medium frame, giving each faction a medium suit with its own unique role. There's also the fact that it was "at least" one suit for each frame size, though, so there may be additional suits in any frame size, meaning a non-Logi Minmatar medium is also a possibility. I'm sorry what point did I miss ? This one ... Garrett Blacknova wrote:And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. So the Amarr have spent how many years going to war with nothing but scouts, heavies and commanders sat in their MCCs and Minmatar have battled without sidearms on their medium frame suits, they didn't at some point think hey it's great carrying all this equipment n all but I'm screwed if I carry a sniper or AV weapon ... no they would have needed a more versatile suit with less equipment and a sidearm slot to take that sidearm they made ... the SMG. You missed the point that each race will have at least THREE (small, medium large) suits. Not just a small suit and a large one. And everyone also seems to be missing the "at least" part as well. Crusader Suits aren't a "sit in the MCC" Commander. They're a suit with modules that provide buffs to nearby allies. You wouldn't use that on the MCC, because the people you're commanding aren't nearby. They're on the ground. You use it when you're on the front lines. It's still a front-line combat suit. Like the Logi suit is.
Given the fact that there have been multiple clips - including an official promo video - where we've seen evidence of a Caldari suit that holds Heavy weapons, it seems logical that Heavy Weapons will be standard on Large Frame suits. At the very least, we know the Amarr version can hold them, and the Caldari and Minmatar wouldn't make a weapon they can't field, so there's no way they'd make their Heavy equivalent NOT able to hold such weapons. Heavies seem likely to fill the "slow with big guns" role regardless of race. But racial variants will have different stats and possibly a side-grade type role on the battlefield. Kind of like the current Type I vs. Type II setup. They're still the same "class" in a way, but they're different ways of achieving the result. The same thing could happen for small frames with all the small frames filling a similar "hit-and-run" role to the Scout. Mediums would be the more specialised classes that give each race a particular focus. And it seems plausible that the medium frame size would also be the point where "at least" kicks in first and each race gets a second variant. Maybe not for all of them, but it seems more likely to see at least 2 of the races get a second medium frame suit before anyone gets a large or small. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
215
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Posted - 2013.03.10 14:43:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers.
My opinion anyway. You SO missed the point. At the moment, Minmatar only have one suit type. That suit is a medium frame, the Logi. They'll also get a large frame (similar in size to the current Amarr Heavy e already have) and a small frame (with a similar profile to the Gallente Scout). These suits will have unique stats of their own, just like the current racial variants in each size. Pilot suit might be Gallente's medium frame suit, and with the Command suit being confirmed to be called the Crusader suit, it seems likely to be Amarr. Probably also medium frame, giving each faction a medium suit with its own unique role. There's also the fact that it was "at least" one suit for each frame size, though, so there may be additional suits in any frame size, meaning a non-Logi Minmatar medium is also a possibility. I'm sorry what point did I miss ? This one ... Garrett Blacknova wrote:And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. So the Amarr have spent how many years going to war with nothing but scouts, heavies and commanders sat in their MCCs and Minmatar have battled without sidearms on their medium frame suits, they didn't at some point think hey it's great carrying all this equipment n all but I'm screwed if I carry a sniper or AV weapon ... no they would have needed a more versatile suit with less equipment and a sidearm slot to take that sidearm they made ... the SMG. You missed the point that each race will have at least THREE (small, medium large) suits. Not just a small suit and a large one. And everyone also seems to be missing the "at least" part as well. Crusader Suits aren't a "sit in the MCC" Commander. They're a suit with modules that provide buffs to nearby allies. You wouldn't use that on the MCC, because the people you're commanding aren't nearby. They're on the ground. You use it when you're on the front lines. It's still a front-line combat suit. Like the Logi suit is. Given the fact that there have been multiple clips - including an official promo video - where we've seen evidence of a Caldari suit that holds Heavy weapons, it seems logical that Heavy Weapons will be standard on Large Frame suits. At the very least, we know the Amarr version can hold them, and the Caldari and Minmatar wouldn't make a weapon they can't field, so there's no way they'd make their Heavy equivalent NOT able to hold such weapons. Heavies seem likely to fill the "slow with big guns" role regardless of race. But racial variants will have different stats and possibly a side-grade type role on the battlefield. Kind of like the current Type I vs. Type II setup. They're still the same "class" in a way, but they're different ways of achieving the result. The same thing could happen for small frames with all the small frames filling a similar "hit-and-run" role to the Scout. Mediums would be the more specialised classes that give each race a particular focus. And it seems plausible that the medium frame size would also be the point where "at least" kicks in first and each race gets a second variant. Maybe not for all of them, but it seems more likely to see at least 2 of the races get a second medium frame suit before anyone gets a large or small. Also, my SMG fits just fine on my Logi suit. And when your primary "weapon" is your HUGE array of explosive devices (Grenades, REs, Proximity Mines, more REs because LOL...), having a secondary weapon that's actually a full-featured Assault Rifle is pretty nice.
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Garrett Blacknova
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:I give up, forum ate my reply and batteries going on my phone.
Point I was making is that I didnt miss your point ... you changed it from "might only get one of each frame size" to "at least one suit of each size" and then argued like you'd made that point from the start.
I normally like you're posts and comments Garrett, but this time you're wrong ... I didn't miss your point, you didn't make it then argued like you did ! I had provided a link where the phrase "at least" was mentioned, and I said "might" instead of "will" for exactly that reason.
Sorry for the misunderstanding though, because I can definitely see (on reflection) why my post wasn't conveying quite what I intended with it. I've been doing that a lot recently. Not sure why, but I'm trying to work on it. So yeah, my bad. Sorry for causing a huge argument over semantics. |
Needless Sacermendor
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No worries, might just implies it's possible we could never get a minmatar assault cos we've got the logi, it really isn't it's just that we won't get all the permutations in the next build, so they said they're working hard so that each factions will have at least one of each frame size.
We could have to wait for the winter expansion before we see the full set of T1 suits, but hopefully by then we'll be starting to look at some highly specialised T2 suits n vehicles :-) I'm sure we'll be looking for more ways to spend sp by then !
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Arion Pallrus
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It seems that it is an assault suit holding the forge gun but maybe it's some kind of light forge gun? |
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Altina McAlterson
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Arion Pallrus wrote:It seems that it is an assault suit holding the forge gun but maybe it's some kind of light forge gun? It's also an assault suit with what looks like 2 light weapons (possibly something else but it says "L") plus a sidearm, 2 equipment slots, and 2 high and 2 low slots. So I would take what you see in that video as awesome cool DEVsuit shenanigans and little more until solid evidence to the contrary arises.
That suit alone would screw up a lot of the balance in the game without assaults running forges. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.03.11 02:47:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:No grudges held ... unless you're red. I don't count that as a grudge if it goes away the next time I'm blue. |
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