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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:44:00 -
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Saw this in the Gathering Forces trailer and figured it was just a fluke since it only featured Assault Dropsuits to begin with; then I saw this screenshot on the new devblog.
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/64244/1/F2.jpg
That's no Heavy glove, I can promise you that much - cross that with the shield/armor HP values and I can safely say....
Devhacks. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:52:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Caldari Large Frame Dropsuit (designation TBA).
See the IGN interview where they discuss "frame sizes" and mention that each race will have at least one suit within each size bracket.
Caldari Heavy???
Swear if it's not going to have an original model and just be another re-skin like everything else I'm going to be irritated. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:46:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely a "large frame caldari suit" would have more shielding and armor than a standard caldari assault suit ! Caldari = shield tanks. Might not be much better at Armour, but almost certainly getting a shield increase.
-Rubs fingertips together sadistically- And my Flux Grenades will be waiting. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:53:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Surely a "large frame caldari suit" would have more shielding and armor than a standard caldari assault suit ! Caldari = shield tanks. Might not be much better at Armour, but almost certainly getting a shield increase. -Rubs fingertips together sadistically- And my Flux Grenades will be waiting. And while you wait, there are plenty of shield-tanked Amarr Heavies you can hunt.
There's not much hunt in something that gives up and keels over  |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.08 13:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Correction All races will have their own variant of every 'base'
Now the only thing that's going to be drastically different from race to race are weapon systems.
There wont be a minmatar forge gun instead the minmatar use an anti-material rifle for their heavy high damage anti vehicle dumbfire weapon.
Can totally see that. A scopeless, giant of a rifle with a low fire rate but damage rivaling that of a Forge Gun.
Long as it has a nuclear warhead on the tip of the round (adhering to the lore) I'll gladly use it ^_^ |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:22:00 -
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Kas Croixe wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing.
Also, never said anything about assault being a frame size. Racial variant was what i said. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/05/dust-514-dropsuits-make-the-manSkip to 1:00 for the bit about frame size. And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. Depending what the Gallente medium frame turns out to be (possibly Pilot), it's possible that there will be 4 different medium frame size suits with each one filling a totally unique role on the battlefield. Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers. My opinion anyway. for all we know the "small" frame suit for minmatar could be their assault, based not so much on tanking hits with a shield like the caldari's assault we've been using, but on quick, hit and run guerilla tactics.
That wouldn't make much sense - I'd picture the Minmatar 'small' frame to be a faster, shield-reliant scout with a -VERY- tiny profile. They practice Skirmish warfare after all.
Edit: re-reading your post enlightened me a bit more. My mistake. Meant to convey that it'd more than likely be a Scout type than an Assault =P |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:58:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Wasn't questioning your reasoning. I asked you for a link to the material you were referencing.
Also, never said anything about assault being a frame size. Racial variant was what i said. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/03/05/dust-514-dropsuits-make-the-manSkip to 1:00 for the bit about frame size. And the point was that there might not be any more Assault suit variants. If each faction only gets one medium frame, then Amarr might have their Crusader suits as the medium frame size, and no Assault equivalent, and Minmatar will still only have the Logi. Depending what the Gallente medium frame turns out to be (possibly Pilot), it's possible that there will be 4 different medium frame size suits with each one filling a totally unique role on the battlefield. Surely lore wise the Minmatar wouldn't go to war with an entire army of logistics suits ... each would have their own assault, logi, scout and heavy classes as well as the pilot and command ones. I know it could be explained in some convoluted way, but that would just be a cop out, each Faction would have needed to develop different suits for different roles, not just small, medium and large for their skinny average and fat soldiers. My opinion anyway. You SO missed the point. At the moment, Minmatar only have one suit type. That suit is a medium frame, the Logi. They'll also get a large frame (similar in size to the current Amarr Heavy e already have) and a small frame (with a similar profile to the Gallente Scout). These suits will have unique stats of their own, just like the current racial variants in each size. Pilot suit might be Gallente's medium frame suit, and with the Command suit being confirmed to be called the Crusader suit, it seems likely to be Amarr. Probably also medium frame, giving each faction a medium suit with its own unique role. There's also the fact that it was "at least" one suit for each frame size, though, so there may be additional suits in any frame size, meaning a non-Logi Minmatar medium is also a possibility.
Oh god I hope it's not like that. They already ruined a lot of people's hopes by making the "raider" scout and "shock" assault into pre-fit aurum deals (and 99% sure that the rest of those suits, such as the Atlas/Titan heavy, will be similar).
We need -MORE- diverse specialization, not less. If we make unique suits to cop out of the 'racial' dropsuits with Pilot being the Gallente Medium (as silly as that sounds) and some completely different dropsuit variant as the Gallente Heavy, it's going to take a lot of immersion out of the game.
I find it very hard to believe that the Gallente's ground forces would only field a Scout, Pilot and some random Heavy type that didn't act as a heavy does, instead having some unique 'playstyle'.
I'm all for the Pilot/Crusader suits, but this would be copping out of a really good implementation.
Gallente Assault would be faster, more armor based and damage focused than the Caldari Assault suit, which should be well shielded (type-II being primarch to this) with heavy emphasis on out-distancing the Gallente Assault Suit.
Just my thoughts.
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