DUST Search - Shield Tanks look like there getting nerfed off the game.

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Caeli SineDeo wrote:

I am sick of trying to play nice with CCP. so yes I will bypass the *LOVELY* filters. I have never had a single in fraction on this board I have been playing since the start as a hardcore player. I have put in input on fixing vehicles when they where broken and overly OPed. I have put input on buffing shield modules across the board and at the same time taking a look at rails.

I am sick of CCP hearing nerf cries and bowing down to scrubs. And not thinking about the repercussions on how it is going to make it one less thing playable in the game.

The rail is currently the only thing that makes shield tanks a viable tank. Once it is fixed/nerfed With out a significant buff somewhere else aka modules shield tanks are going to lose there viability for endgame play. AKA nullsec planet taking and faction warfare.

They are breaking things before even looking into the real issue. that pro players are getting thrown into lobbies of new players.

The endgame game play I was excited for is lost. They are balancing everything to pub gameplay where brand new players get there asses handed to them scream for nerfs. Instead of the endgame that is ment for the future of this game.

So yes it is NOT SOMETHING I LIKE.

I am done playing nice and am up for getting banned off these forms if it means CCP will open there eyes a little.

1. A fix isnt a nerf. No one complained about how rail fights were long ago when **** wasnt broken. U were dropship before u only recently got into tanking when missiles were nerfed so u dont know how it was before.

2. Simple fix for shields is buff the hardeners and unfuck the missiles why the doom and gloom? idk why ppl who use a broken system want to abuse it and say its ok but when something else is broken that they dont use they campaign for a fix/nerf. i also rail tank have been using both turrets only turret i havent used for long was the OP missiles back then. Rail tanking atm takes 0 skill when all it takes is 2 simple shots to kill any tank whether it be gunnlogi, sagaris, madrugar or surya

3. I agree they are breaking some things but THIS particular rail + broken dmg mod isnt breaking. cant break something that is already clearly broken.

Also a shield tank with a rail can beat an armor tank with a rail u can still output more dmg because dmg mods are on low slots. For an armor tank to get the same output they have to drop hardeners or w/e on their low slots which are essential for their survival in order to equal the dmg output but u already know this.
Simply fixing the dmg mod issue will break shield tanks IF they dont also buff the hardeners AND fix the missiles back

As for lobbies i agree, im tired of pubs and tbh i want Player owned districts asap


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Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 303	Posted - 2013.03.07 15:39:00 - [1] - Quote Looks like I am going armor. Once they fix damage modes rails are going to be useless. Why drive a sagaris with only 10k EHP when I can drive a Surya with 15k EHP and another 10k+ Repairable on top of that. Sad that that armor tanks out number shield 3 to 1 lately in pubs and well of coarse the shield with rail that is ment for AV has to be OP because armor tanks actually get popped by something. CCP you know and i know it you suck at fixing vehicles. After damage mods get fixed a armor tank with a rail will always beat a shield tank with a rail. Shield tank at full buffer hits 15k EHP while a armor can have that buffer on it plus be able rep on top of that. It it is a broken aspect but in a way that was the only thing that semi balanced shield and armor tanks. Sad thing is it will be 10 months before CCP relize that they FU CKED SH IT UP. Armor tanks will rule the battle field for awhile now. So can't beat them join them Got to adapt to all of CCPs fu ck ups.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 303	Posted - 2013.03.07 16:02:00 - [2] - Quote I am sick of trying to play nice with CCP. so yes I will bypass the FU CKING filters. I have never had a single in fraction on this board I have been playing since the start as a hardcore player. I have put in input on fixing vehicles when they where broken and overly OPed. I have put input on buffing shield modules across the board and at the same time taking a look at rails. I am sick of CCP hearing nerf cries and bowing down to scrubs. And no thinking about the repercussions on how it is going to make it one less thing playable in the game. The rail is currently the only thing that makes shield tanks a viable tank. Once it is fixed/nerfed With out a significant buff somewhere else aka modules shield tanks are going to lose there viability for endgame play. AKA nullsec planet taking and faction warfare. They are breaking things before even looking into the real issue. that pro players are getting thrown into lobbies of new players. The endgame game play I was excited for is lost. They are balancing everything to pub gameplay where brand new players get there asses handed to them scream for nerfs. Instead of the endgame that is ment for the future of this game. So yes it is BULL SH IT. I am done playing nice and am up for getting banned off these forms if it means CCP will open there eyes a little.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 304	Posted - 2013.03.07 23:38:00 - [3] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: I am sick of trying to play nice with CCP. so yes I will bypass the *LOVELY* filters. I have never had a single in fraction on this board I have been playing since the start as a hardcore player. I have put in input on fixing vehicles when they where broken and overly OPed. I have put input on buffing shield modules across the board and at the same time taking a look at rails. I am sick of CCP hearing nerf cries and bowing down to scrubs. And not thinking about the repercussions on how it is going to make it one less thing playable in the game. The rail is currently the only thing that makes shield tanks a viable tank. Once it is fixed/nerfed With out a significant buff somewhere else aka modules shield tanks are going to lose there viability for endgame play. AKA nullsec planet taking and faction warfare. They are breaking things before even looking into the real issue. that pro players are getting thrown into lobbies of new players. The endgame game play I was excited for is lost. They are balancing everything to pub gameplay where brand new players get there asses handed to them scream for nerfs. Instead of the endgame that is ment for the future of this game. So yes it is NOT SOMETHING I LIKE. I am done playing nice and am up for getting banned off these forms if it means CCP will open there eyes a little. 1. A fix isnt a nerf. No one complained about how rail fights were long ago when **** wasnt broken. U were dropship before u only recently got into tanking when missiles were nerfed so u dont know how it was before. 2. Simple fix for shields is buff the hardeners and unfuck the missiles why the doom and gloom? idk why ppl who use a broken system want to abuse it and say its ok but when something else is broken that they dont use they campaign for a fix/nerf. i also rail tank have been using both turrets only turret i havent used for long was the OP missiles back then. Rail tanking atm takes 0 skill when all it takes is 2 simple shots to kill any tank whether it be gunnlogi, sagaris, madrugar or surya 3. I agree they are breaking some things but THIS particular rail + broken dmg mod isnt breaking. cant break something that is already clearly broken. Also a shield tank with a rail can beat an armor tank with a rail u can still output more dmg because dmg mods are on low slots. For an armor tank to get the same output they have to drop hardeners or w/e on their low slots which are essential for their survival in order to equal the dmg output but u already know this. Simply fixing the dmg mod issue will break shield tanks IF they dont also buff the hardeners AND fix the missiles back As for lobbies i agree, im tired of pubs and tbh i want Player owned districts asap 1. I have tanked every build since E3 aka I started in that builld. Precursor was one of the best tank v tank builds. but we are never going to see that because CCP is not smart enough to relize they can just bump AV up a little to compensate. instead they went the nerf route. 2. I know rails with mods are broken. The thing that really has me pissed is I know that after they fix it they will tank 6 months to fixing shield tanks so they actually can play on a even playing field. Also buffing the hardeners will not bring shield tanks on a even playing field with armor. Shields need a complete module rework. both large and small. all buffed. Armor modules need to be looked into and might need to buff some of those also on the light side of things. and maybe the large depending on how much they buff shields. Once the fix rails actually armor will win those battles too. why because shield will be getting a 30% damage boost at max if using all damage mods maybe less depending on what there fix is like while armor have 15k buffer EHP with 10k rep EHP a shield tank doing 30% more damage will only have 14k EHP with 3 damage mods. So we only gain 30% damage while armor have a 79% more HP capabilities. that is on the light side I know alldins armor tank hit 30k EHP+Repairable on one cycle only. tell me how 30% more damage is going to allow shield tanks to win against something that contains over 80% more HP to soak up that damage. So yes I am pissed at CCP because I know they are fixing one thing that balances shield vs armor currently. And they are not looking at okay once we fix this problem how can we make sure armor and shield tanks are on a even playing field.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 304	Posted - 2013.03.07 23:48:00 - [4] - Quote gbghg wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: 1. I have tanked every build since E3 aka I started in that builld. Precursor was one of the best tank v tank builds. but we are never going to see that because CCP is not smart enough to relize they can just bump AV up a little to compensate. instead they went the nerf route. ah but if they bump AV up it leaves dropship's in an even worse state then they already are. it would have an impact on LAV's as well. Actually Dropships where really good at tanking AV also in precursor. so bumping AV up would not have been so bad. You could actually take 4-6 forge rounds with a drop ship in the beginning of precursor. LAV could take 3-5 depending on your build. so bumping AV up would have still left them able to handle more then they do now.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 306	Posted - 2013.03.08 05:09:00 - [5] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Actually, shields weren't nerfed. Armor was buffed. Actually shields where nerfed along with armor then they put in active hardeners for shields(which suck) then they put in active hardeners for armor which buffed them to almost where they should be. But putting them pass shield tanks actually.