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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:13:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Like i tweeted a few minutes ago... This video is ..... "Meh...."
It's a huge plead on how the MD is a weapon with which you need average aim to get the job done. I'll acknowledge though that this dude knows its distance shot.
But in that video, there are more than half the kills which at close range get the job done while landing at 4-5 m from the target and without even hurting the owner.
I always hated grenade launcher.
First off, while I agree the video isn't overly impressive, it's a good representation of what can be done once you're used to the mass driver and you have some skill into it.
Second, this kind of video can be done with any weapon, even your precious AR. It actually does take skill to make those shots, even though it looks easy in the video. Go try a MD for a while.
I enjoyed watching the video, and it is certainly no call to nerf anything. Stop with the nerf requests - please learn to play.
(BTW most of the good kills were because the player knew how to properly position himself, and because the other team was foolish - which BTW is how I get most of my MD kills) |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:36:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Like i tweeted a few minutes ago... This video is ..... "Meh...."
It's a huge plead on how the MD is a weapon with which you need average aim to get the job done. I'll acknowledge though that this dude knows its distance shot.
But in that video, there are more than half the kills which at close range get the job done while landing at 4-5 m from the target and without even hurting the owner.
I always hated grenade launcher. Aim? lolworthy
I hate to tell you guys, but you need arguably better aim with the MD than with, say, the AR.
MD - not hitscan
MD - MUST aim for a surface near the target, but not the target itself (I think this part is what confuses most of you AR people into thinking you don't need aim)
MD - shoot too close and you kill yourself
The MD requires a different kind of aim than hitscan weapons to be sure, but it is by no means easier. Having said that, I prefer the MD playstyle myself, but that's all it is - a playstyle preference.
If MDs were super easy to own up with, everyone would be using them - reference: AR |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:41:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Nstomper wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:We need FF.
I am getting sick and tired of enemies being able to spam an area and make a pile of unrevivable corpses while their blues walk away unscathed.
I'm starting to think the Freedom might be a little OP as far as splash radius, but I'm not really sure. Have to wait until more people use them, or I see a pack exploiting the lack of FF. just tell your team to focus fire on me and the other mass driver users and those corpse wont be in a pile as much I have no problem with the mass driver being able to wipe out a squad if he gets position and time. The only thing I have a problem with is someone being able to spam a mixed group and only kill enemies. It is a garbage tactic. Same thing with Lasers. FF always on needs to be tested ASAP while we still have that beta tag on. I don't mind shredding the occasional blue with my HMG if we can stop people abusing the force field.
This is true for all weapons. I see plenty of blue dots shooting me in the back with the AR. FF needs to come, and soon, but it will be a major change to all players. I'm not sure why people namedrop specific weapons here. Sure the MD has splash damage, so it will likely be affected most, but the laser rifle? I see HMGs, ARs, thrown grenades, even forge guns being bigger issues than the LR. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.03.07 17:41:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
I hate to tell you guys, but you need arguably better aim with the MD than with, say, the AR.
MD - not hitscan, so you have to predict where the player will be and land the MD round there
MD - MUST aim for a surface near the target, but not the target itself (I think this part is what confuses most of you AR people into thinking you don't need aim)
MD - shoot too close and you kill yourself
The MD requires a different kind of aim than hitscan weapons to be sure, but it is by no means easier. Having said that, I prefer the MD playstyle myself, but that's all it is - a playstyle preference.
If MDs were super easy to own up with, everyone would be using them - reference: AR
Eveeryone uses ARs because that's what people are used to using in fps games. How can the MD be harder than an AR when your aim has to be precise in order to kill as opposed to MDs where you kill even if it isn't a direct hit and you miss. All that you have to do is hit in the area and they are dead. Not to mention, the proto MDs have a much larger splash damage radius and can kill much easier.
OK, I explained some of it already, but let me try again. Because the MD is not hitscan, you must aim in time and space. Because most weapons are hitscan, you only need to aim in space. If that makes no sense to you - brain up.
Also, the AR fires much faster than the MD, so yes, you have to point the AR at the target, spray and pray as they say. The MD you have to point the weapon at the target as well, but differently as explained above. With the MD you get 6 shots (8 on the Assault variants). 6 shots - that's all. Also, you have a total of 18 shots in the gun, then you need supplies. This is a big limitation.
There are other issues that make the MD more difficult to use than casual observation would suggest.
I invite anyone who thinks the MD is an "easy" weapon to use, to try it for a while and see how it really works. It has it's place, but it is by no means easier than the "default" AR weapon. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2013.03.07 17:55:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:Buster Friently wrote:OK, I explained some of it already, but let me try again. Because the MD is not hitscan, you must aim in time and space. Because most weapons are hitscan, you only need to aim in space. If that makes no sense to you - brain up.
Also, the AR fires much faster than the MD, so yes, you have to point the AR at the target. The MD you have to point the weapon at the target as well, but differently as explained aboce. With the MD you get 6 shots (8 on the Assault variants). 6 shots - that's all. Also, you have a total of 18 shots in the gun, then you need supplies. This is a big limitation.
There are other issues that make the MD more difficult to use than casual observation would suggest.
I invite anyone who thinks the MD is an "easy" weapon to use, to try it for a while and see how it really works. It has it's place, but it is by no means easier than the "default" AR weapon. I think the funniest part is where you mentioned "mass driver" and "aim" in the same sentence. It goes more like this: With MD you kinda point yourself in the general direction of the red dots a bit and then mash R1 repeatedly until all the squishy things die from your 50m splash radius grenade launcher that does virtually no self-damage to the operator outside of him sticking the MD into an enemy's ribs and pulling the trigger. btw, the other weapons do not instantly hit when you pull the trigger. Basing MD's "aiming" (lol) on the incorrect assumption that just because it has the lowest muzzle velocity it's the only one you have to "aim in time and space" is lulzy.
I can see by your hyperbole that you feel threatened. I'm guessing that by your 50m comment, you're the kind of player that sees an MD opponent and tries to hide next to a wall for cover, or runs up a hill in the open at a MD opponent behind cover. No matter.
Please accept my heartfelt invitation to become uber and use the MD yourself. Second, the other weapons do hit instantly. That's kinda the definition of hitscan. Of course, you might not see this when watching videos or waiting for in game feedback, but that's a technical issue obviously beyond your comprehension.
Thanks for playing forum warrior with me. I have to go though, so please, again, accept my invitation to the elite and play a MD. |
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