DUST Search - Pay to win?

Altina McAlterson wrote:

No. All AUR items will be available for ISK once the player market goes up. At the moment those that can afford the real money items have an advantage over those that don't. But the game isn't finished. You agreed that you understood the game was incomplete when you installed it. If they remove AUR items or do anything else to alter the game then they will have no idea what it will be like once it is changed back.

Whether or not it is "P2W" is meaningless because this is not how CCP intends the game to be. So we just have to deal with until the market is up. It will not be like this forever and we can't expect CCP to really do anything about it until their solution is ready to be put in the game.

I might add that the player market will be directly linked to EVE, which is a decade old game that has around 50,000 people logged on at any given time and is the only game (and only source of revenue I believe) for CCP. They're not going to hurry just to make us feel better.

PS. This anger is not directed at the OP and I know he wasn't really saying that it is. I'm just getting tired of this whole thing in general so this post is for everyone else who reads the thread.

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Syther Shadows CowTek 18	Posted - 2013.03.05 02:28:00 - [1] - Quote ive seen this word go around a lot in recent times we have to ask our selves what REALLY is pay to win one thing we know is pay to win is when some one who pays irl money has a undeniable advantage over some one who does not pay irl money another thing we know is people call pay to win when people can get something with paying irl money that other people can't get with in game money let's look at these two factors and cover them in dust 1. you can buy proto suits ok ~ this is semi pay to win semi only due to the fact that in order to stay competitive in this game you have to play it stealthy or get really good equips and hope you don't die and loss all your isk so how does this work if you pay irl money for it ? well assuming they don't (and i really hope they don't) release proto suit blue prints for AUR i think this is just fine they can have there proto suits i can still get proto suits if i want to it will just take a bit more time than that person ontop of that i can still kill them i just need to play a bit more careful but the main thing is i don't see paying for stuff in game as pay to win i see it as paying a subscription (kinda) in eve if you want to make mass money you but plex easiest way to it but then if you make enough in game money plex can be brought in game to pay for your subscription so having a active pilots license in eve is kinda like having a proto suit in dust (in theory) you can buy a plex in eve with isk you earn from playing eve just like in dust the only difference between the two is you don't NEED the proto suit in dust to do well or play the game but in eve you HAVE to buy the plex but you don't see people complaining about eve do you ? (keep in mind there will always be that small amount of the community who we ignore since they don't know there ships from there pods) basically what im saying is if your going to say pay to win in a game like dust is stupid then you can also say subscription based games are stupid farm bots are stupid and paying for a good build to be able to play games on max settings is stupid it should all just be free for the player to use it when ever they want free of charge no costs involved (very round about way of saying it but idk my 0.02isk)
Chi-Chi Chikubi On The Brink 0	Posted - 2013.03.05 02:33:00 - [2] - Quote The real advantage is paying to get passive and active boosters! You will be able to level up in skills quicker than someone who has none! Its not really paying to win, but paying to hurry the F up so you can skill up on another skill!
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 370	Posted - 2013.03.05 02:41:00 - [3] - Quote No. All AUR items will be available for ISK once the player market goes up. At the moment those that can afford the real money items have an advantage over those that don't. But the game isn't finished. You agreed that you understood the game was incomplete when you installed it. If they remove AUR items or do anything else to alter the game then they will have no idea what it will be like once it is changed back. Whether or not it is "P2W" is meaningless because this is not how CCP intends the game to be. So we just have to deal with until the market is up. It will not be like this forever and we can't expect CCP to really do anything about it until their solution is ready to be put in the game. I might add that the player market will be directly linked to EVE, which is a decade old game that has around 50,000 people logged on at any given time and is the only game (and only source of revenue I believe) for CCP. They're not going to hurry just to make us feel better. PS. This anger is not directed at the OP and I know he wasn't really saying that it is. I'm just getting tired of this whole thing in general so this post is for everyone else who reads the thread.
Syther Shadows CowTek 18	Posted - 2013.03.05 02:41:00 - [4] - Quote Chi-Chi Chikubi wrote: The real advantage is paying to get passive and active boosters! You will be able to level up in skills quicker than someone who has none! Its not really paying to win, but paying to hurry the F up so you can skill up on another skill! every one reaches the same cap i bet when dust finally finished beta and starts you will be able to buy implants with isk but atm the most they are doing is giving the guy a extra 500 sp once he has reached the cap (on the average skirmish map you can probable reach the skill point cap in about 5-6 matches assuming you play them from start to finish)
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 370	Posted - 2013.03.05 02:44:00 - [5] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Chi-Chi Chikubi wrote: The real advantage is paying to get passive and active boosters! You will be able to level up in skills quicker than someone who has none! Its not really paying to win, but paying to hurry the F up so you can skill up on another skill! every one reaches the same cap i bet when dust finally finished beta and starts No, it also increases your cap by 50%. Yes, yes you will.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 249	Posted - 2013.03.05 02:50:00 - [6] - Quote The very moment the market opens, all these (even rightfully questioned things like boosters) cease to be P2W. Just buy it with isk. AUR becomes convenience only not having to grind ton of isk to pay other players.
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 67	Posted - 2013.03.05 02:50:00 - [7] - Quote The only pay to win would be: - Weapons you buy are more powerful than the weapons for ISK - You have LEVEL 6 that you unlock only with aurum for special overpowered weapons or passive buffs and there are LEVEL 5 for everything which everyone can reach equally with different pace Everything in this game is convenience and get-there-quicker if you want option. It's an mmo, it's f2p. No golden ammo or bullets, no disadvantage if you don't pay money. Sorry if you think otherwise, but we are all on equal grounds. Paying or not. Also, AUR items will be purchasable for ISK in the future and sold by players.
Syther Shadows CowTek 18	Posted - 2013.03.05 02:56:00 - [8] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: No. All AUR items will be available for ISK once the player market goes up. At the moment those that can afford the real money items have an advantage over those that don't. But the game isn't finished. You agreed that you understood the game was incomplete when you installed it. If they remove AUR items or do anything else to alter the game then they will have no idea what it will be like once it is changed back. Whether or not it is "P2W" is meaningless because this is not how CCP intends the game to be. So we just have to deal with until the market is up. It will not be like this forever and we can't expect CCP to really do anything about it until their solution is ready to be put in the game. I might add that the player market will be directly linked to EVE, which is a decade old game that has around 50,000 people logged on at any given time and is the only game (and only source of revenue I believe) for CCP. They're not going to hurry just to make us feel better. PS. This anger is not directed at the OP and I know he wasn't really saying that it is. I'm just getting tired of this whole thing in general so this post is for everyone else who reads the thread. the reason i posted this thread was hoping yo clarify once and for all that dust is not a pay to win game and this just proves it more thank you
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 371	Posted - 2013.03.05 03:05:00 - [9] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: the reason i posted this thread was hoping yo clarify once and for all that dust is not a pay to win game and this just proves it more thank you Not a problem. I'm all over these threads because it's getting out of hand. CCP isn't going to make AUR items better than ISK item because they don't need to. They don't expect people to buy AUR so they can get that proto suit early (which is honestly a waste of AUR or ISK in most cases, but whatever) any more than they expect people to buy plex with real money to extend their subscriptions. I would wager that most of the AUR sold will be with the intent of reselling for ISK. A PLEX is $15 US and since it is a single item is not as accessible to a lot of players as lots and lots of little items will be which is what I think CCP is hoping for.
Syther Shadows CowTek 19	Posted - 2013.03.05 03:10:00 - [10] - Quote i saw a guy on eve get about 12 bill worth of isk in eve he is a new player keep in mind he just brought tons of plex .... so like ~ with this 12bill isk he brought a carrier and said he wanted to fly it but it will take a while so i find him at random anomaly's fighting stuff in a naga he can't even fight large turrets yet since he does not have the skill points But he says he has trained all the skills he can to Lv 2-3 .... he had a factional battery in his ship worth 2 bill the naga ship is not even worth that much and he said he needed it to be cap stable and he was having trouble clearing the site vs my destroyer just mopping the floor with T2 lasers THIS IS THE PAYTOWIN MARKET PEOPLE IM NOT THAT SCARED OF IT so i sent him to a friend of mine who showed him what to do and what not he gave me 50 mill and gave my friend the 2bill ship -.-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 114	Posted - 2013.03.05 03:20:00 - [11] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: THIS IS THE PAYTOWIN MARKET PEOPLE IM NOT THAT SCARED OF IT Exactly. Even if they had some sort of pay to win items, which they don't in this game, you can destroy it. You can take the prissy-ass-money-slinging-punk's toy away and smash it on the ground. And then watch the forum threadnaughts of "I paid gud muneez for this why can sum1 destroy it!!!!" And then collect the tears. God I hope we see AUR tanks soon. I want to see the tears flow in a river through General Discussions. ED: I think something might be seriously wrong with me.
Syther Shadows CowTek 20	Posted - 2013.03.05 03:25:00 - [12] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: THIS IS THE PAYTOWIN MARKET PEOPLE IM NOT THAT SCARED OF IT Exactly. Even if they had some sort of pay to win items, which they don't in this game, you can destroy it. You can take the prissy-ass-money-slinging-punk's toy away and smash it on the ground. And then watch the forum threadnaughts of "I paid gud muneez for this why can sum1 destroy it!!!!" And then collect the tears. God I hope we see AUR tanks soon. I want to see the tears flow in a river through General Discussions. ED: I think something might be seriously wrong with me. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA OH GOD THIS PLEASE CCP DO IT
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 19	Posted - 2013.03.05 03:44:00 - [13] - Quote The only thing i have seen thats p2w in this game is AUR Damage mods. Go to the damage mods in the market see that there are Heavy and SideArm Damage mods with reduced fitting requirements for aur.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1626	Posted - 2013.03.05 03:54:00 - [14] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Syther Shadows wrote: THIS IS THE PAYTOWIN MARKET PEOPLE IM NOT THAT SCARED OF IT Exactly. Even if they had some sort of pay to win items, which they don't in this game, you can destroy it. You can take the prissy-ass-money-slinging-punk's toy away and smash it on the ground. And then watch the forum threadnaughts of "I paid gud muneez for this why can sum1 destroy it!!!!" And then collect the tears. God I hope we see AUR tanks soon. I want to see the tears flow in a river through General Discussions. ED: I think something might be seriously wrong with me. I want to see tears flow like wine in France.


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