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KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:42:00 -
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Am I the only one that feels that the the guns get a little better on each tier?
Many have claimed that the higher level tier guns have more kick and spread but I haven't noticed any.
What I have noticed, I believe, is less auto aim or "Aim Lock" as I would put it, on the higher tier guns. By aim lock I mean the way the game helps you to lock onto target. This is most evident when you fire into a group of people and your shooting suddenly shifts a little to the side and you start to hit somone else.
Could it be that this is it? That the guns really don't get more recoil but that the "aim lock hit boks" just gets smaller? For me it seems to be this way. I don't feel I get as much help witht the Duvolle as I do with the Gek, but I certainly can see the effect of the increased accuracy and damage of the Duvolle, especially at some range, when I have a good day and actually hit my target that is.... Which will mean that the better guns indeed are better, a little harder to use perhaps but still better.
This is all merely speculation, I'd like some input from the community on this one... |
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Invading Oren
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:50:00 -
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The exile is nowhere near as good as duvolle. It's a great starting weapon but as you get better suits,more CPU,pg it becomes obsolete. Why would you increase weaponry and proficiency and use a weaker weapon ? IMO the reason people are using exile and advanced is the ISK,CPU and PG cost of prototypes and not so much the reduced recoil (I've tested the exile ,it feels that it has a lot less recoil). |
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BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:26:00 -
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> Means bigger/better whereas < means smaller/worse. Remember > as b without I so > is bigger. You should have written Exile < GEK < Duvolle or Duvolle > GEK > Exile |
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KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:29:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:> Means bigger/better whereas < means smaller/worse. Remember > as b without I so > is bigger. You should have written Exile < GEK < Duvolle or Duvolle > GEK > Exile
Sieg heil!
And, noted... |
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BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:30:00 -
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Ich kant sprachen deutsch. |
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Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:37:00 -
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Currently in AR land:
Duvolle Tactical AR's
GEK 38 & Killswitch Burst AR's & Officer AR's
Exile? < Haven't actually tested this out myself Breach AR's |
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:01:00 -
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Invading Oren wrote:The exile is nowhere near as good as duvolle. It's a great starting weapon but as you get better suits,more CPU,PG it becomes obsolete. Why would you increase weaponry and proficiency and use a weaker weapon ? You need to maximize the overall Dmg and dps. IMO the reason people are using exile and advanced is the ISK,CPU and PG cost of prototypes and not so much the reduced recoil (I've tested the exile ,it feels that it has less recoil). A more experienced player can handle the recoil increase so he will choose the higher dmg,accuracy and range of the proto weapons over recoil. Heh, "great starting weapon"... You are far from as experienced as you like to portray yourself.
The low CPU/PG of the Exile is the difference between skimping on tank module meta level, etc, versus fitting the best modules you can use despite the module meta level being balanced towards higher tier suits.
Also the less recoil part lets you easily empty the magazine at much greater distances with way better hit ratio. And having skilled up Assault rifles does benefit you in the bonus to kickback and spread. |
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Invading Oren
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:11:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Invading Oren wrote:The exile is nowhere near as good as duvolle. It's a great starting weapon but as you get better suits,more CPU,PG it becomes obsolete. Why would you increase weaponry and proficiency and use a weaker weapon ? You need to maximize the overall Dmg and dps. IMO the reason people are using exile and advanced is the ISK,CPU and PG cost of prototypes and not so much the reduced recoil (I've tested the exile ,it feels that it has less recoil). A more experienced player can handle the recoil increase so he will choose the higher dmg,accuracy and range of the proto weapons over recoil. Heh, "great starting weapon"... You are far from as experienced as you like to portray yourself. The low CPU/PG of the Exile is the difference between skimping on tank module meta level, etc, versus fitting the best modules you can use despite the module meta level being balanced towards higher tier suits. Also the less recoil part lets you easily empty the magazine at much greater distances with way better hit ratio. And having skilled up Assault rifles does benefit you in the bonus to kickback and spread.
Portraying myself as an experienced player, really ? I just stated my opinion and why exactly would you choose a weapon with less range,dmg and accuracy just so you can press r1 a bit longer ?
Btw I'm using the exile more than GEK and duvolle. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:12:00 -
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Exile is the best AR because if you have it, you never need to buy another. GEKs come and go with the Sniper bullets in your brain. So does every Duvolle you buy. Your Exile will always be there for you.
But I still prefer my Shotgun. |
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Arness Omega
Simply Surreal
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:26:00 -
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I for one think the duvolle is trash.. gek 38 is my go to ar.. I too think the duvolle has a tiny bit more recoil.. my theory as has been tested with the milita rifle and "exile" is why go for more damage with a higher chance of missing.. which equals less damage.. when you can go slightly less damage but greater accuracy.. meaning more bullets hit.. meaning greater damage output simple really![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) |
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:34:00 -
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Invading Oren wrote:Portraying myself as an experienced player, really ? I just stated my opinion and why exactly would you choose a weapon with less range,dmg and accuracy just so you can press r1 a bit longer ?
Obviously you have no idea what are you talking about. I see you're playing the "not an expert but hey here's my categorical statements on the subject" game?
You are what one would call an EFT warrior in eve, completely engrossed in "numbers" without the larger perspective how how those numbers pan out on the battlefield. Also if you have such an aversion towards pressing the R1 button, get a shotgun.
Until CCP does something to the AR stats, the Exile remains superior to the Duvolle. |
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Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:36:00 -
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Your experience in Eve gives you no street cred here. |
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Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:37:00 -
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Yeah, the Duvolle is a terrible gun, don't use it.... it sucks.....![Twisted](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png)
( Picks the Duvolle when no one is looking )....... |
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:41:00 -
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Gek has some massive kick & recoil to it, if the Duvoll is worse then that blows big time. ![Sad](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_sad.png)
Is the AR the only weapon that gets worse as you upgrade? (well, we get a fraction more damage, but with weapon flattening it doesn't mean much anymore). Plus it's possible the AR skill upgrade gives us MORE kick and recoil. ![X](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_x.png)
I could understand this gimp if the flattening wasn't as bad as it is, 36 HP vs 30 HP is meaningful. But 31 HP militia vs 34.2 HP with proto is ridiculous.
Funny everybody complains about all their weapons/suits being gimped (especially heavies), yet the AR likely got the worst gimp of all time and it has been mostly ignored.
Guess those of us with severely gimped AR's can still handle a situation despite being gimped to hell and back. We sure are resilient, if only the other classes could learn a thing or two from us. ![Lol](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) |
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Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:44:00 -
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Never let numbers get in the way of a good whine. |
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Invading Oren
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:44:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Invading Oren wrote:Portraying myself as an experienced player, really ? I just stated my opinion and why exactly would you choose a weapon with less range,dmg and accuracy just so you can press r1 a bit longer ?
Obviously you have no idea what are you talking about. I see you're playing the "not an expert but hey here's my categorical statements on the subject" game? You are what one would call an EFT warrior in eve, completely engrossed in "numbers" without the larger perspective how how those numbers pan out on the battlefield. Also if you have such an aversion towards pressing the R1 button, get a shotgun. Until CCP does something to the AR stats, the Exile remains superior to the Duvolle.
Honestly I've tried both exile and duvolle ,im not just looking at the numbers and judge the ar's. I just don't believe that the exile is worth the sacrifice of other stats.
I just feel that you could control the recoil over time and do better cause of the better range and accuracy and of course the increased dps while maintaining a steady rof and controlling your shots.
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Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:15:00 -
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To me....my opinion is the GEK is rough shooting. You have to control kickback by controlled bursts. However it is cheap and gets the job done and if you master this weapon then Duvolle will be a killing machine in your hands.
Duvolle feels better to me....I don't have time to analyze numbers and equations. Never used Exile. |
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Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:15:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Your experience in Eve gives you no street cred here. QFT |
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:20:00 -
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For some reason...the Exile feels as if it has the most recoil when I use it. |
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Rasatsu
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:35:00 -
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Rupture Reaperson wrote:Sontie wrote:Your experience in Eve gives you no street cred here. QFT Oh yes, I need some street cred.
That's why I bought a 2.5 billion isk overcoat for my EVE character, since I got a few hundred of those billions lying around.
Next I'm going to listen to the wise words of the street smart gamers above who's first game was a PS3 FPS, while I sadly spent many years playing 2D games before Wolfenstein 3D appeared.
Now get off my lawn. |
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TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.04 14:33:00 -
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Its not the weapon, its how you use it. ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2013.03.04 14:57:00 -
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Size doesn't matter. |
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Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:11:00 -
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I'm average at best, but the GEK feels sturdier to me than Exile. It's my go-to AR when ---- gets real. Have not tried Duvolle, but I have been killed by it 1x1, quickly, and usually at the hands of LordChaos QC. ![Ugh](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_ugh.png)
I can say hands down an ELM-7 lays down the pain better than a standard LR. Looking forward to Viziam. |
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Starshine Etherium
Greywolf Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:30:00 -
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I think everyone its just nitpicking. The duvole is the better pick. The differences in recoil is negligible but everyone is so bored with the game they need something to talk about. |
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