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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:33:00 -
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So i have been thinking allot lately about some of you decisions ccp. i will make a little list and if you could it would be nice to get some answers
1. why should i keep my assault suit and not reroll heavy? i dont belive heavy is FOTM i belive they are broken.. (now all the heavys will come here and tell me that its not the case and that they actually need a buff at higher tiers) But 2xdmgmods and 700-800 hp on a type2 well i dont understand that plz elaborate.
2. why are you keeping the complex dmgmods in the game. As far as i know thay still dont have stacking penelty plz correct me if im wrong! you removed the black-ops tanks..
3. why cant i use a hmg as a assault when a heavy can use the Ar?
4. i think i might know the answers to my own questions and that is the the racial bonusses on the suits are still being worked on i just really really would like to know that you are actualy thinking about this.
Thats it for now i might come with some more stuff! and i know my spelling is not bullet proof!
Ps. good job with the spawn fix
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:37:00 -
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Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:39:00 -
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:54:00 -
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*facepalm* |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:56:00 -
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you really dont get it do you |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 19:18:00 -
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Me and all my fellow Massholes laugh at your QQ over heavies. Sorry you find a game in which each class has a weakness and a strength relative to other classes.
It like saying tanks are OP cause you cant destroy them with your AR. Same thing heavies are mobile tanks and they should have high HP, i think higher end should have higher HP.
I think HMG needs the range nerf and fix the doom mode//crouch exploit along with not making them more accurate with increased spool at least not at a range greater than 40-60M. This will make the heavy the ultimate CQC tank.
That said just like tanks you dont come at them with any ordinary weapon you come at them with what would be the AV equivalent of anti-heavy weaponry which are shotty, MD, LR, and a strong Sniper.
By the way thats for just you avg players.
For the leet players Heavies drop to AR and SMG as regularly as anything else.
Ive said it to many of my corpmates who think entire squads of heavy are OP and ill say to everyone else. ADAPT, and change your mindset, there isnt a one size fits all suit in this game, squad dynamics and makeup is what wins matches.
So all my AR heroes out there HTFU, and grab a logi. |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.02.28 19:27:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Me and all my fellow Massholes laugh at your QQ over heavies. Sorry you find a game in which each class has a weakness and a strength relative to other classes.
It like saying tanks are OP cause you cant destroy them with your AR. Same thing heavies are mobile tanks and they should have high HP, i think higher end should have higher HP.
I think HMG needs the range nerf and fix the doom mode//crouch exploit along with not making them more accurate with increased spool at least not at a range greater than 40-60M. This will make the heavy the ultimate CQC tank.
That said just like tanks you dont come at them with any ordinary weapon you come at them with what would be the AV equivalent of anti-heavy weaponry which are shotty, MD, LR, and a strong Sniper.
By the way thats for just you avg players.
For the leet players Heavies drop to AR and SMG as regularly as anything else.
Ive said it to many of my corpmates who think entire squads of heavy are OP and ill say to everyone else. ADAPT, and change your mindset, there isnt a one size fits all suit in this game, squad dynamics and makeup is what wins matches.
So all my AR heroes out there HTFU, and grab a logi.
what makes you think i cant take down a heavy with my ar? its not the point! and im not the one who should change my mindset enugh said!!! |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.28 19:58:00 -
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A Heavy Type-II with two damage mods and 700-800 HP is still extremely slow, have a huge hitbox and can't carry equipment.
The Standard Heavy is the only Heavy that's balanced to the other classes.
When people stop charging it head on in a 1 vs 1 one fight, they'll no longer claim it's OP. |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.28 20:11:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:A Heavy Type-II with two damage mods and 700-800 HP is still extremely slow, have a huge hitbox and can't carry equipment.
The Standard Heavy is the only Heavy that's balanced to the other classes.
When people stop charging it head on in a 1 vs 1 one fight, they'll no longer claim it's OP.
This...
Heavies are slow.. their strafe is slow, their turn is slow. The only adjustment that possibly may be needed is a more limited distance on the HMG and thats it. If you go head on vs a heavy then you deserve whats coming to you.
Most people complain about heavies because of how they are used in a squad that has supporting suits to go with it. A tanking heavy supported by a Logi and an AR/Scout is nasty as the heavy can guard while the others rep and take objectives. A heavy by itself is a stranded turtle that you can pick apart using speed to flank.
Turning a corner and running into a heavy sucks.
Seeing a heavy lumber across an open area is a fun game of target practice. |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.02.28 20:29:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:A Heavy Type-II with two damage mods and 700-800 HP is still extremely slow, have a huge hitbox and can't carry equipment.
The Standard Heavy is the only Heavy that's balanced to the other classes.
When people stop charging it head on in a 1 vs 1 one fight, they'll no longer claim it's OP.
first i feal bad about my bs post in your tread now.... well played!!
second i dont think you can solve the heavy suit balanceing "act" just by giving it more hp something more needs to be done about it but i dont really know what. i totally aggre that the proto heavy needs a slot more and prolly a price reduction.
my conclusion is that we just have to see what ccp does about the racial bonuses before we shout nerf. im just a worried merc thats all |
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Thumb Green
Starship Troppers
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Posted - 2013.02.28 20:45:00 -
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Toyboi wrote: 3. why cant i use a hmg as a assault when a heavy can use the Ar?
That's like asking why can't I pick up a motorcycle when a strongman can pick up a bicycle. |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:21:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Toyboi wrote: 3. why cant i use a hmg as a assault when a heavy can use the Ar?
That's like asking why can't I pick up a motorcycle when a strongman can pick up a bicycle. you dont play eve do you?
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Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:29:00 -
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Toyboi wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:A Heavy Type-II with two damage mods and 700-800 HP is still extremely slow, have a huge hitbox and can't carry equipment.
The Standard Heavy is the only Heavy that's balanced to the other classes.
When people stop charging it head on in a 1 vs 1 one fight, they'll no longer claim it's OP. first i feal bad about my bs post in your tread now.... well played!! second i dont think you can solve the heavy suit balanceing "act" just by giving it more hp something more needs to be done about it but i dont really know what. i totally aggre that the proto heavy needs a slot more and prolly a price reduction. my conclusion is that we just have to see what ccp does about the racial bonuses before we shout nerf. im just a worried merc thats all
I think we all just have to get used to the fact that weapons and suits are always going to be messed with. It was always the case with MAG and it will be the same thing here.
people can snipe with the MG - MG gets nerfed MG is unusable - MG gets buffed
SVER is easymode - SVER weapons get nerfed SVER is easymode - SVER weapons get nerfed again
ATAC is OP - ATAC gets nerfed ATAC is worthless - ATAC gets buffed
As long as they are trying to keep things balanced, it will end up fine. People are always going to find exploits or advantages and with big games that are constantly being change, there are bound to be many. |
Thrillhouse Van Houten
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.28 22:43:00 -
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Toyboi wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Toyboi wrote: 3. why cant i use a hmg as a assault when a heavy can use the Ar?
That's like asking why can't I pick up a motorcycle when a strongman can pick up a bicycle. you dont play eve do you?
Bad call, Toyboi.
A CNR or Golem can fit Light Missile Launchers if they want to (why in all good god would they?)...but a Caracal can't fit Siege Missile Launchers. Sure it is just a matter of PG/CPU limitations but in Eve you are flying ships not playing as physically human mercenaries. An assault suit probably isn't strong enough to withstand the force of a HMGs recoil. Or a forge gun for that matter. Thus the heavy suit. The advantage of greater firepower comes at the cost of speed...mobility is one of the most important factors in ballistic ranged combat. Look at how shredded people get by scouts with speed modules using shotguns. A theoretically weaker suit with greater speed can destroy. A couple full sprays will take down anyone, heavy suits included.
Personally, having played for a month, at the most, I find that I am having less and less trouble taking down heavies who aren't absolute pros and having more and more trouble with guys who are better AR users than I am.
CCP WILL make changes to dropsuits. It is inevitable. |
Thumb Green
Starship Troppers
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Posted - 2013.02.28 23:44:00 -
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Toyboi wrote: you dont play eve do you?
No, but that's quite irrelevant; this is DUST 514 not EVE |
Cat Merc
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:11:00 -
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Well he is kinda right about the assault rifle thing. The biggest drawback of the heavy is that the HMG is worthless at long range (or at least should be) so a decent player can just keep his distance. But with an AR a heavy is basically an assault player with more Health and a bit slower. And no they don't have slower turning speed, that's a myth that used to be true in earlier builds. |
Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.03.01 08:52:00 -
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Thrillhouse Van Houten wrote:Toyboi wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Toyboi wrote: 3. why cant i use a hmg as a assault when a heavy can use the Ar?
That's like asking why can't I pick up a motorcycle when a strongman can pick up a bicycle. you dont play eve do you? Bad call, Toyboi. A CNR or Golem can fit Light Missile Launchers if they want to (why in all good god would they?)...but a Caracal can't fit Siege Missile Launchers. Sure it is just a matter of PG/CPU limitations but in Eve you are flying ships not playing as physically human mercenaries. An assault suit probably isn't strong enough to withstand the force of a HMGs recoil. Or a forge gun for that matter. Thus the heavy suit. The advantage of greater firepower comes at the cost of speed...mobility is one of the most important factors in ballistic ranged combat. Look at how shredded people get by scouts with speed modules using shotguns. A theoretically weaker suit with greater speed can destroy. A couple full sprays will take down anyone, heavy suits included. Personally, having played for a month, at the most, I find that I am having less and less trouble taking down heavies who aren't absolute pros and having more and more trouble with guys who are better AR users than I am. CCP WILL make changes to dropsuits. It is inevitable. so abbadon with cap lasers wouldent break to pieses if you use your logic?
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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.03.01 08:55:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Toyboi wrote: you dont play eve do you?
No, but that's quite irrelevant; this is DUST 514 not EVE Dust is eve you are suposed to have freedom in this universe your ignorence in staggering |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
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Posted - 2013.03.01 09:57:00 -
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Toyboi wrote:
3. why cant i use a hmg as a assault when a heavy can use the Ar?
I love drone boat at Eve (long story). My favorite Dominix. If you ask avg. eve player - 'worst battleship...', 'man use blaste or lasers (not enough) use missiles/torpedoes as caldari' etc...
My fit in H slots have drone range boosters, salvager, tractorbeam .... and small blasters.
You ask: 'Man what you doing!!!" Bonuses for big guns.. firepower (that you lack anyway) Ansfer: My bigest threat is tons of small ships that I cant track/kill from big guns. Rest I can manage from variety of drones and decent tank. I cant use smartbombs, beacuse I do more harm to my firepower then to them (lost own drones)... so only small guns fitted in place of big give me things that I need.
Angel Extravaganza lev.4 solo in this fit is possible for me.. and I dont want more ;)
This is only example that you can experiment well with modular builds in Eve and in Dust. This also give you element of surprise at battlefield, that is more valuable then skils/fits.
At Eve you can mix size of modules/weapons at cost of CPU/PG .. so even at frigate you can fit medium launchers or medium afterburner... but cost is huge. (still fun fits)
CCP dont do that things in Dust for simplicity of game. Sure they can make forge usage for 1000CP/PG and give heavy dropsuit bonus for usage it like 99% reduction of CPU/PG... but you know... why mass of average console gamers must be bothered by this?.
I just have hope that CCP will be expanded posibilites in game mechanics, not only gives players new textures for same weapons/vehicles that loved by ppl.
CU mate at battlefield Heavy/AR user Jack Boost
P.S. Soon you will kill me without any problem ;) |
Thumb Green
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Posted - 2013.03.01 15:05:00 -
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I love how you resorted to insulting me. Goes to show you have nothing of substance to say; so either HTFU or STFU, either way is fine as long as you quit your crying. |
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Toyboi
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Posted - 2013.03.02 08:26:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I love how you resorted to insulting me. Goes to show you have nothing of substance to say; so either HTFU or STFU, either way is fine as long as you quit your crying. i said what i had to say already thats right! but still dosent change the fact that you are ignorent when it comes to dust/eve. And where exactly did i cry? But i finally get the saying its cold on the top |
KalOfTheRathi
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Posted - 2013.03.02 12:36:00 -
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Toyboi wrote:i-- snip -- And where exactly did i cry? -- snip self righteous misstatement -- Did you forget your Subject Line?
QQ For All To Read so that CCP will please, please give the Little QQ Kitten Hope.
Hope that those big, bad Heavies will be Nerfed. Because the little Kitten cannot figure out how to take Heavies out with the little, bitty AR that Kitten Must use. The Only solution is for CCP to contact Kitten Directly with promises to make Kitten's QQ go away along with those nasty, nasty Heavies.
Don't forget to change the way the Weapon Slots work because of those Heavies. Kitten doesn't want to move that slow so or spend any ISK on a Militia Heavy Suit just to carry a weapon that is soooo big. A big scary weapon that whacks Kitten all over its little hamburgerized body*.
Yeah @Toyboi, you basically started QQing at the subject line and never let up.
Why you couldn't figure it out that posting over on the Training Ground Forum and asking for help would give you some guidance is a little amazing. Instead here you are in the Requests/Feedback Begging CCP to change Their Game because you specifically don't want to HTFU.
Then you lash out when anybody isn't totally sympathetic to your QQ whining. "Give me back hope", what drivel.
I run Heavy for both my chars. A little on this one and a lot on the other. I have been killed by Scouts, Assault, Logi Bro and Heavies using every type of Weapon you can find down here in the DUST. Well, probably not by you.
HTFU, Kitten.
* HMG - Hamburger Making Gun. Turns Kittens and their QQ into Hamburger, Fast! |
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