Short answer?

Close to 10 years of development and still counting...

I wasn't around for EVE in 2003 when it was first released, but from the conversations I've had with people who were and screenshots I've seen from that era it wasn't anywhere near as smooth or polished as it is today. Making a game with that degree of customization and capability is a difficult and time consuming process. DUST will get there some day, too.

Did you ask that 10 years ago?

Eve and dust are two entirely different monsters.

And like you said you bought a sexy pc to play it.

Dust doesntbhave the luxury of an easily upgradeable platform and is stuck at one levl.

Im going to assume coding for a shooter is vastly different than coding for strategic internet spaceships.

Especially in controls and hit mechanics.

If you notice the fitting market and skill mechanics system all woek pretty well... partz of the game that easily transfer over from eve.

Give them time and experience im willing to bet it will be amazing.

Ohh hoo hoo hoo

This is how eve started:

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EVEHistory/2000.06_Orion.jpg
2 Factions Caldari and Amarr
6 Ships
90 Star systems

(btw legacy code from this era is still haunting eve today, they've called in ghost busters to clean up one piece safely at a time.)

I was just pointing out there is a great difference in starts though.

Ultimately we're doing pretty good in the beta, while most other developers would call this an alpha. CCP alpha's are more of a 'can we do this?' sort of software. For example there is a CCP alpha going around on tour on new avatar based game play of exploring abandoned stations having to balance between oxygen, radiation, puzzles, and loot. CCP touts it around shows the executives before getting green lighted to replace some extraordinarily awful graphics, and clunky design with everything a game should fully deserve eventually.

Sentient, make sure you drop by "Dust OB" with you Eve toon. You need to be in a milita to do OBs and they happen in Low-sec space. Would be happy to fill you in on more of the Eve-side details.

as a eve player of 4 years i have watched eve evole into what it has become. i see dust and i can feel eve in it. to me it actully feels like a faster paced version of eve.

that being said ive seen ups and downs for ccp and i know this game is only going to get better with time. i never expected a finished product from dust even when it hits open beta. you need to change the way you think. ccp doesnt have finished products eve isnt finished. some of the things they are adding to eve are things they have wanted to do for years.

dont expect dust to be any different it will never be finished it will always change.

Let's not forget that Eve players pay (in one form or another) $14 per month for each account, on top of the 10+ years in constant development. You think anyone in the CCP Accounting Dept has ulcers from watching Dust unfold?

Just walk away from Dust now and come back in 10 years, it will blow your mind out as Eve just did with all its complexity.

Sentient Archon I will say this to you.

Stay with dust a short while, you'll see something amazing happen. I experienced it in eve, watching an mmo grow and become refined, it was not like most other expansions like world of warcraft, it really felt like the game was evolving.

Dust 514 will evolve and we got front row seats. One day, 10 years from now you can tell dust players on how we only had 4 suit classes 4 guns, 2 tanks, and 3 maps.

So in the end, get better, stop s*cking, kill efficiently.

bro your gaming rig is waaaay OP for eve lol

I checked your stats before hand and still posted it, your KDR only shows me that you don't die allot. It doesn't say if its because you are playing with a dedicated squad, hiding in a tank are redline sniping, or switching of your PS3 if something happens out of your control.

Ive not seen you on any battle myself but if we ever do, the only thing i can go by is your QQ about getting behind on the SP curve.

*Sigh* Yet more people assuming they know everything there is to know about developing a genre-breaking FPS.

You cannot make a world-class bottle of wine, and then be expected to build your own high-performance sports car as well.

And I'm sure they managed to do it perfectly the first time, because they were already so good at making cars.

He Arch maybe that dude up there needs to be shown your game. Set up a CB with him and his corp. so we can kill him for downing our Director. That dude has to die, i do believe it will be wonderfull to redline them, Dont you.

That it will.

Skill up in mining. Now THERE is patience.

To address your initial point, the two games are also based on different engines. EVE is based on Carbon (CCP's in-house engine) and Dust is based on Unreal.

I have heard (not confirmed) that early Dust plans were to use Carbon because it had a lot of the stuff already built in and they knew how it worked. Once they realized that the available consoles couldn't handle it, they switched to Unreal and that set the development of many of the features back.

In order to get around this, CCP opened a completely new development office in Shanghai (so not the same devs) to allow those people to focus on Dust without impacting EVE development. My guess is that a lot of the FPS basics worked just fine in-house, even on PS3 hardware.

Once they connected to Singularity, which was optimized for Carbon- all hell broke loose. Suddenly, things that worked fine in-house lagged, misapplied, etc. They spent most of a year fixing that (and killed Skirmish 1.0 in the process).

Once that seemed pretty stable, they ported it over to the big gun- Tranquility. TQ is a much larger server cluster, so they figured that with things mostly optimized on Sisi, moving to TQ would bring MOAR POWER (sorry, Tim Allen) to the party. Unfortunately, TQ is also a much more complex environment that is tied into things like 3,000 ship space battles.

They can Time Dilate space battles, but not FPS action. That must've created a whole other batch of headaches.

Meanwhile, the accountants are tapping CCP's senior management on the back, glaring at them, and saying "You told us this would be making money six months ago!"

I absolutely feel your pain, Mr. Archon. I really want Dust to be the game that they told us about. Maybe it's all those years of mining Veldspar talking, but I feel like they are doing pretty good for building the most complicated MMOFPSRPG ever attempted. If they had just made an FPS without any of the EVE tie-ins, it would probably be a lot smoother by now.

By this logic then Eve has been around/in development for 15 years as I think I was in beta for Eve back in 2000-2001 and had been watching the game for about a year before that, making Eve and all of its polish older then some of the people playing the big brother to this game.

Its going to be a while before you can navigate low sec :p