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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.28 14:54:00 -
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Eve is 10 Years old. Dust is still in the womb. |
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:05:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:I wasn't around for EVE in 2003 when it was first released, but from the conversations I've had with people who were and screenshots I've seen from that era it wasn't anywhere near as smooth or polished as it is today. Making a game with that degree of customization and capability is a difficult and time consuming process. DUST will get there some day, too. Welp! I have never played Eve untill last night and this is what I have to say;- If you have a game like Eve which is your staple, you better live up to the expectations set by that game. After playing Eve for just 1 day I already see so many things in Eve that I would like to see in Dust. You dont create a high par product and then pub a really sub par product on the market. If anything the gameplay in Dust should be as smooth as the gameplay in Eve. As long as they dont remove AFK farming I am cool with everything. Hopefully I will be ready soon enough to drop them OBS on them QQers.
Ohh hoo hoo hoo
This is how eve started:
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EVEHistory/2000.06_Orion.jpg
2 Factions Caldari and Amarr
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:34:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Ohh hoo hoo hoo This is how eve started: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EVEHistory/2000.06_Orion.jpg2 Factions Caldari and Amarr 6 Ships 90 Star systems (btw legacy code from this era is still haunting eve today, they've called in ghost busters to clean up one piece safely at a time.) Again what does things 10 years ago has to do with now. I mean I still play Contra but it has no meaning or bearing on Eve/Dust. It comes down to 2 things;- Eve gameplay = Awesome Dust gameplay = Crappy Eve = CCP Dust = CCP Same Devs! Products that are eons apart.
I was just pointing out there is a great difference in starts though.
We have 4 factions, about 700 star systems involved, 4 suits bases (with 8 variants EACH) 9 weapon systems with variants, npc market, isk funding (ccp did not shower players with isk at all back then, there literally no faucets back then) no concord, no sense of module use and balance. Somewhat stable (where eve crashed so bad after one patch they rolled it back one week.) and we don't have a publisher/partner that hates us (Eve's early publishers tried to burn the game down)
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Posted - 2013.02.28 15:59:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
I was just pointing out there is a great difference in starts though.
I whole heartedly agree with you. The baseline for Dust should be Eve. Eve gameplay should be the foundation of Dust gameplay and built upon that. Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Ultimately we're doing pretty good in the beta, while most other developers would call this an alpha. CCP alpha's are more of a 'can we do this?' sort of software. For example there is a CCP alpha going around on tour on new avatar based game play of exploring abandoned stations having to balance between oxygen, radiation, puzzles, and loot. CCP touts it around shows the executives before getting green lighted to replace some extraordinarily awful graphics, and clunky design with everything a game should fully deserve eventually.
I dont think we are doing pretty good or for that matter good at all in the beta. For starters the gameplay itself is so bad. Its too clunky and the flow of controls is horribad. Straffing was nerfed to counter the hit detection bug and both are not fixed. Matching in pathetic. You either get redlined or red the enemy. We played a pub match where they put the Imperfects and Red Star on the same team. Our team lost only 20 clones and we cloned out 150 clones of the enemy. And we went up against some really good corps. That was a boring match. And thats what is becoming of all pub matches now. Why would you even put high skill players on the same side? CCP has had over a year for fix some of these basics. Not done yet!
Well we're on final hardware, the largest hurdle to jump has been jumped. Migration to TQ is by far the most monumental milestone of the beta in technical terms and in actutallity this is the true basic they're focused on, everything else is addons and flavorings. Now that is out of the way the game can now focus on populating. |
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Posted - 2013.02.28 17:00:00 -
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Sentient Archon I will say this to you.
Stay with dust a short while, you'll see something amazing happen. I experienced it in eve, watching an mmo grow and become refined, it was not like most other expansions like world of warcraft, it really felt like the game was evolving.
Dust 514 will evolve and we got front row seats. One day, 10 years from now you can tell dust players on how we only had 4 suit classes 4 guns, 2 tanks, and 3 maps. |
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Posted - 2013.02.28 17:47:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:
So in the end, get better, stop s*cking, kill efficiently.
LOL. Do you even check a players stat before you tell them to get better or stop sucking or kill efficiently? Go check my stats up sonny boy. And as far gaming is concerned I have seen it and done it all. 8080, 8088, XTs, ATs;- seen it all. That however is far far away from why Dust is Eons away from Eve. I checked your stats before hand and still posted it, your KDR only shows me that you don't die allot. It doesn't say if its because you are playing with a dedicated squad, hiding in a tank are redline sniping, or switching of your PS3 if something happens out of your control. Ive not seen you on any battle myself but if we ever do, the only thing i can go by is your QQ about getting behind on the SP curve.
Well Rei, I could easily accuse you of the same thing.
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