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Bones McGavins wrote:

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First off, it is key to limit the amount of possible attacks on a district. This is needed or it will almost never be profitable to own a district and they will change hands like hot potatos. If a corp can successfully defend their district it should LIKELY be profitable for them to do so. You could "attrition" the corp by dumping tons of money into your contracts, forcing them to spend a ton to pay for defense. But it shouldnt be possible to just hit them over and over and over forcing them to keep paying for defense. So with that in mind, lets say for the sake of discussion a District can be attacked 10 times per month.

Each attack on a district will have 4 parties.

1) CORP A- The Attack Sponser Corp
2) CORP B- The Defense Sponser Corp
3) CORP C- The Attack Merc Corp
4) CORP D- The Defense Merc Corp

Now, CORPs A and C, and CORPs B and D may be the SAME corps. You may defend your own district, or lead your own attack, but you may also contract it out to a 3rd party.

So, what happens, how does this all actually work out? Right now, who knows, but you don't want gameplay to NOT occur, and you dont want the problem of timezones messing with getting good matchups.

So here is how I imagine it will happen.

CORP A puts out a 20 mil ISK contract for an attack on CORP B. This contract has a specified time for the attack, and this time is a anywhere from 12-24 hours out from when it is created. All contracts can either be public or private. Meaning I can set a contract that is available to ALL DUST corps, or just specific ones. This allows me to use connections to get a good DUST corp to lead my attack or defense, or just put something out there for attrition or desperation.

Once CORP A puts out the contract, two things happen.

1) A listing appears for the contract, allowing DUST Corps to accept it. They can see when the match will take place so they can be prepared.
2) CORP B is notified and they must put out a defense contract.

So CORP B now has 12-24 hours to put out a matching contract. They can talk to some of their allies, or contact some famous corps, or they can just post a public contract to everyone. Either way, corp B ends up posting a contract for the defense.

So now both contracts are up and available. Depending on if they are private or public, some or all DUST corps can accept.

Now one of 4 things happens.

1) Neither contract is accepted before the scheduled attack - Both corp A and corp B are refunded and nothing happens.
2) Both contracts are accepted before the scheduled attack by CORP C and CORP D and a game of DUST is played.
3) The attacking contract is accepted by CORP C and the defending is not. CORP A pays CORP C the contract, CORP B is refunded, but the district changes hands.
4) The defending contract is accepted by CORP D and the attacking contract is not. CORP B pays CORP D the contract, corp A is refunded but an attack is used up.

In the case of 2, CORP C and CORP D play a match. Depending on the district this may be 16v16 or 24v24 or whatever. It is up to the corps to fill those teams, if they do not you can see 24v8.

The winning team gets the ISK of both the attacking contract and the defense contact and all the salvaged loot from the battle. The losing corp gets nothing. This prevents crappy corps from accepting contracts and getting the money and just losing.
At the end, all 4 corps get a report of the battle. This allows CORPS A and B to review CORPS C and D and see if they made a legit effort and put up a good fight. If not, they can blacklist them from future public contracts, possibly even review them for other corps to see.

I think this system keeps DUST acting as a money sink for both DUST and EVE while providing incentive for both universes to participate as long as they win.


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KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 249	Posted - 2013.02.28 18:33:00 - [1] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: . . First off, it is key to limit the amount of possible attacks on a district. This is needed or it will almost never be profitable to own a district and they will change hands like hot potatos. If a corp can successfully defend their district it should LIKELY be profitable for them to do so. You could "attrition" the corp by dumping tons of money into your contracts, forcing them to spend a ton to pay for defense. But it shouldnt be possible to just hit them over and over and over forcing them to keep paying for defense. So with that in mind, lets say for the sake of discussion a District can be attacked 10 times per month. Each attack on a district will have 4 parties. 1) CORP A- The Attack Sponser Corp 2) CORP B- The Defense Sponser Corp 3) CORP C- The Attack Merc Corp 4) CORP D- The Defense Merc Corp Now, CORPs A and C, and CORPs B and D may be the SAME corps. You may defend your own district, or lead your own attack, but you may also contract it out to a 3rd party. So, what happens, how does this all actually work out? Right now, who knows, but you don't want gameplay to NOT occur, and you dont want the problem of timezones messing with getting good matchups. So here is how I imagine it will happen. CORP A puts out a 20 mil ISK contract for an attack on CORP B. This contract has a specified time for the attack, and this time is a anywhere from 12-24 hours out from when it is created. All contracts can either be public or private. Meaning I can set a contract that is available to ALL DUST corps, or just specific ones. This allows me to use connections to get a good DUST corp to lead my attack or defense, or just put something out there for attrition or desperation. Once CORP A puts out the contract, two things happen. 1) A listing appears for the contract, allowing DUST Corps to accept it. They can see when the match will take place so they can be prepared. 2) CORP B is notified and they must put out a defense contract. So CORP B now has 12-24 hours to put out a matching contract. They can talk to some of their allies, or contact some famous corps, or they can just post a public contract to everyone. Either way, corp B ends up posting a contract for the defense. So now both contracts are up and available. Depending on if they are private or public, some or all DUST corps can accept. Now one of 4 things happens. 1) Neither contract is accepted before the scheduled attack - Both corp A and corp B are refunded and nothing happens. 2) Both contracts are accepted before the scheduled attack by CORP C and CORP D and a game of DUST is played. 3) The attacking contract is accepted by CORP C and the defending is not. CORP A pays CORP C the contract, CORP B is refunded, but the district changes hands. 4) The defending contract is accepted by CORP D and the attacking contract is not. CORP B pays CORP D the contract, corp A is refunded but an attack is used up. In the case of 2, CORP C and CORP D play a match. Depending on the district this may be 16v16 or 24v24 or whatever. It is up to the corps to fill those teams, if they do not you can see 24v8. The winning team gets the ISK of both the attacking contract and the defense contact and all the salvaged loot from the battle. The losing corp gets nothing. This prevents crappy corps from accepting contracts and getting the money and just losing. At the end, all 4 corps get a report of the battle. This allows CORPS A and B to review CORPS C and D and see if they made a legit effort and put up a good fight. If not, they can blacklist them from future public contracts, possibly even review them for other corps to see. I think this system keeps DUST acting as a money sink for both DUST and EVE while providing incentive for both universes to participate as long as they win. I strongly disagree on the underlined part. That would be so disheartening for the weaker corps as it would hamper their abilities to try to rise and even the motivation to try to attack. A good solution would be to have complex enough contract system: Basic minimum payout for accepting a contract (?) 5% of total contract value. Standard wage for showing up in battle and trying. 20% of total value. Bonus for winning. 75% of total value. How about?
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 249	Posted - 2013.02.28 19:21:00 - [2] - Quote Mad Rambo wrote: firstly, Corp B would have to place something at the hostile district which slowly takes it over. For example a CRU or other expensive looking stuff. They can decide to leave it undefended and do something else. Corp A can wake up, see the notification about the attack and decide the blow the district siege equipment away. Thats when the match starts. If A waits to long the district is lost. A decides when the counter attack starts, B joins and fights or loses. its like eves FW mechanics, but you don't have to wait at the plex beacon till the timer reaches 0. You place something there and come back if somebody notices it. Sorry, flawed system if not modified: After B's "attack" of placing the structure, A could wake up anytime(?) from 1h to 20h? And then initiate the fight? That would mean B has to be ready for fight for 20 hours, all the time! Unacceptable. Some timers for future fights are necessary. [SUGGESTION:] Possibly that each districts holder can set some hours of a day, for example 18-22 each day their own TZ clock. During that time interval there can be attacks on the district, provided 1h signal has been given in advance for defenders to prep for battle. The attacker would most likely hire an attacking corp to whom the sime hours are fine! Remember, third parties in merc warfare... Is some corps hold several districts, they CAN set the hours same for all, or they can spread them a little bit. Their choice.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 249	Posted - 2013.02.28 21:19:00 - [3] - Quote Kaeralli Sturmovos wrote: the district owner should not be able to set times, there needs to be that mystery or fear of an impending attack at all times even if its not in your corps "prime hours" there needs to be that feeling of loss for those who have districts even if they have goine on a 7-planet district capping spree in the AM's in US prime time. that evening battles could start and all that progress could be lost before that corp could rally at their best time. timers do need to be placed so that corps can do their preparing anywhere between a 2-6h window, if not then tug o war feeling would be endless. In general, A good way to set up good fights >> feel of mystery Now, One might imagine that the initial attack must be made in that timeframe set by district holders. However, they might lose control of later timers. Meaning if attackers managed to get a beach head they might set a timer of their own, or hasten or delay the districts own set timer times. Or something. As we are tossing wild ideas, how about - structures which allow you to widen/narrow the possible attack window onto district? - Structures which give you a longer time to prepare for an incoming invasion? - Structures which create a greater time gap between fights on that district? - Structures which affect merc numbers on each side? - Structures which affect available Supply (war?) Points or max amount of vehicles on each side?