Because sometimes even taking the objectives isn't going to win you the match. You're too far behind, and all the enemy has to do is wait you out. The opnly way to win at that point is to "clone out" the other team. The best way to do that? Allow your team be redlined in order to create a "target rich environment". It might not be a clean win, but it's still a win. As I said, the teams on the ground at the time should decide "what's worth while", not the system.

Indeed. I agree that people shouldn't be punished further for being redzoned. Exactly the opposite: I say they should not be rewarded for staying in the redzone when they are not.

When redzoned, you still have options. If lots of people think having a duckshoot there is the best option, fine. I think it's pointless and only works if the both teams are idiots, but that's just my opinion. As said, plenty of ways to fix this issue with my suggestion.

What I find interesting is that everyone here seems to focus on two things: what if you're redzoned and sniping from an unreachable place is legit. Let's play the "but this is New Eden!!!1" card then:

If you're redzoned, you suck and deserve to be obliterated without rewards. If you're in the game, you should be reachable by anyone and everyone should be able to kill you. All this artificial protection of bad players and cowards has no place in New Eden.

I've already said that I hate the Redline. But hating the redline and suggesting that people people should be punished just for occupying it, are two different things. We can't see our own redline (the one everyone complains about), so unless you've suddied the maps you'll never know if you're outside of it at all. Yes, that's an easy fix, but the way I see it is that it's a solution without a problem. Most of the time, when a team gets redlined, it's game over. As I've said earlier that's not always true, but it's true often enough that people have dedicated entire threads on how much it sucks to BE redlined. Adding more ontop of that is unneccessary. Even if you make it so that you get "legit kills" if you have no Objectives held is bad. Be cause what if you do take an objective? Yes, you can spawn on that if you die (assuming it's not Spawn Trapped, which is also a legitemate tactic). But the problem is; you have to die first. So your team mates take an objective, and suddenly your earning no points (even though you're STILL redlined), because you now have ONE objective. Why would I want to take objectives under those circumstances. I'm better off, once again, staying behind the redline, and cloning out the enemy team.

And yes, if snipers go 20/0 they will earn a good amount of SP and ISK. I pointed out the WP's because most of the time, snipers don't get that high. Most of the people earning the high rewards are assaut suits in the thick of the fighting. Which is how it should be.

And if someone's got a hardon for their KDR score, good for them. They'll soon learn that it's not that important in this game. New Eden is a harsh mistress.

Wrong use of the "New Eden" card. This is New Eden, and I'm a Merc, if you stop paying me, I stop fighting. (That's not a player threat, that's just a little bit of Role Playing. Remember, this IS supposed to be an RPG).

So we agree on the whole "artificial protection" thing. Okay, cool, common ground.

Protecting "bad players". Are we talking inexperienced players here, or truly bad players. If they're inexperienced, then all you need is patience, they'll come around, get better, and start more aggressivley as time goes on. If you're talking about truly "bad" players, then no amount of rules or game mechanics is going to turn them into "good" players. Some people just suck at FPS games. There's nothing you can about that.

As for the coward comment, again, we're dealing with different play styles (assuming they're not just inexperienced, as stated above). You call them Cowards. I call them Scouts. Or Overwatch. Different Strokes for different folks.

Guess what?
This is precisely what the red line, and red line snipers enables.

Something has to kill you guys, to get you out of the f**king defending teams face first.

Ok, here's where things get tricky. See, right now, you're focused entirely on pub matches. Yes that's most of what we have right now, but it is far from the whole game. What about Corp Matches, and FW Matches. What about Corp Contracts in general. You see Corps have (or soon will have) the ability to set up their own contracts. I'm not entirely sure how this works, but I do know that if you're apart of a Corp that stops paying you for any reason, you're gonna leave that Corp. This might not sound like a terrible thing at first, and if it's what the Corp Heads want then they should absolutely do that. But if it's forced onto them, if they suddenly lose control of their Corp's ISK, and espescially if they suddenly have to pay the opposing team whether they want to or not, you're gonna have a whole bunch of really pissed off players. Because that's what they signed up for, to own and run their own Corp, to make universe changing decisions to things the way THEY want them to be done. Take that away, and you take away a good portion of makes the New Eden universe to begin with.

Everyone seems focused on Pub Matches, but they're not the game. And when they open up Planetary Conquest, no Corp is going to up with being forced into not paying their Mercs, or paying their opponents.

As for your new suggestion. Story, I'm a Merc. And I'm immortal. If they don't want to pay me that's fine. Just add in A PVE mission where I get to hunt them down and take what's owed me, and we'll call it good. Because, story wise, having a whole bunch of highly trained and well armed Mercs who feel that you owe them money is a bad thing. Since a lot probably won't care if they lost or not.