DUST Search - Orbitals, Really?

TheMarkOf22 wrote:

James-5955 wrote:

TheMarkOf22 wrote:

sounds like another obs destroyed my tank argument, if you cant do anything outside of tanks you deserve to get red lined.

100% chance I break 100 with 5 orbitals, if I can hit 56 with only 2 mill in sp in my character I could easily hit 70 without any obs with protogear.

Play enough and you may be able to, but even then you know it's only against garbage randoms. SP makes a difference but I wouldn't act like it's the end all be all, I can run around in my type II assault suit and compete just fine.. and outside of my upgrade from type II to b-series I'm about at the same point. Bad randoms that can't aim are easy to kill regardless of what gear you have unlocked, just need the right setting.. a garbage team, a garbage enemy team, them being dumb and bad enough to die so many times, and a fairly even match allowing plenty of time.

Accomplishments from farming kills of of noobs pales in comparison to accomplishments earned against good teams.

You do know who this is right?

How did farming noobs carry over for you in the 3C vs ~^~ match?

Your style of gameplay won't ever keep you sharp, poaching kills with lasers from 100 meters away is uber easy, up in your face gun game translates well to corp matches.

Went 3-0 in corp battles today and never lost a gun fight.


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James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.25 05:03:00 - [1] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: KING PDIGGY wrote: also get wps in a tank is uber easy, doesnt really show the problem(not that there even is one), now when your two man squad is running strictly assault and getting multiple ob's then it will be relevant. The last part we do. If I'm in my tank we can get 3. If I'm LR or AR and my bro is always AR, we're almost always guaranteed at least 2 doubt it, unless your running medic. post video. I don't, on average I get 2500+ WP each skirmish match fairly easily. If I had another person who could do the same, like Fizzy or TryHard514, then we will get 2+ OBs no problem without running medic. A squad of 3 of us plus another guy and we'll be hitting 3+ OBs no problem. I feel it's important to note however that farming WP is much, much easier in pubs where you can avoid the real competition and focus on the easy points for OBs. I wouldn't mind them taking both tanks & OBs out of pubs I was a tanker in a previous build, I'm thinking it was probably 3-4 builds ago now, back when the missile launchers were insanely awesome; but since that's all my tanking experience I don't want to talk too much on the subject of how difficult or easy it may be to keep a well fit tank alive in a match; but not long ago a corp mate of mine was dropping 2m isk Sagaris tanks for us to use, and using a blaster tank I was posting 45-0, 51-0, and other high kill counts w/o deaths in Skirmish matches against organized groups with no problem and while dealing with a lot of AV, tons of forge & swarms. From my experience I have yet to see how tanking is actually difficult, but I don't feel my opinion is worth even a penny until I've tanked against other competent tankers and have faced well known clans that are respectable in terms of syncing attacks & being somewhat spec'd into AV. When my corp encounters enemy vehicles often times we'll band together with some AV and focus fire on the vehicle at the same time, doing burst damage in hopes that it won't have enough time to get away to repair. In my time with tanks I haven't played against any group of people who have done that against me, so IDK how it is from the other perspective. I do think that OBs are too easy to get, however I don't think they are really FREE. Sure, you don't have to spend SP to get them but you do have to perform and earn WP to get it and in doing so you risk losing fits. One could argue that its possible to earn a OB using militia fits, and thus being free of any risk of losing isk while earning said WP, but if you're being bossed around by players in militia fits enough for constant OBs to actually be a problem then I feel you're doing it wrong. I think that having to work to obtain something nullifies the possibility of it being considered free, but my gripe with that portion of this thread is more of a semantic issue. Being able to get 3-5 orbitals that are powerful enough to take out such expensive tanks with ease isn't right or fair IMO, however I really do like having it as an option to take down a ridiculous tank. It sucks being in a match full of randoms that are terribad, and being the only one trying to take down a tank and being unsuccessful over and over again, it's nice to be able to turn my focus to other things, get WP doing that, and eventually have the means to take that tank out... even though it can be called in right after they respawn anyway. A raise in the WP required to get OBs wouldn't bother me much, and/or putting a cap on how many OBs can be called in per team. I also think that being able to call in tanks in Ambush pubs is a bit ridiculous, the matches end entirely too fast and the maps are too small. After someone calls in a ridiculous tank and starts rolling around in it the clone counts drop insanely fast and anyone who tries to call in a HAV to counter it is likely to get ganked or have their vehicle blown up before having a chance to fight back. Often times by the time you can really get in the position to threaten a good tanker in a respectably fit tank, especially if he has competent infantry with him, too much of a steamroll has taken place and the match is lost anyway. I see calling in prototype blaster tanks an "I win" button for ambush.
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.25 06:53:00 - [2] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Here's a pic as well http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3177/62spji9d_jpg.htm lol this is an average match. Your in my alliance, squad up sometime, 3 orbitals per match if you do your part. that doesnt prove your running around in an assault suit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tDBg-wTvpw Like I said, squad up broskie. I think 99% of forum dwellers know how I run in skirmish matches, as well as my brother Heimdallr69. No hate. One of the times, and possibly the only time I've seen YOUR NAME HERE in a match he was running assault suit and LR. Every time I see his brother he is running assault and AR; I've been impressed by him. http://s1320.beta.photobucket.com/user/James5954/media/72and4_zps6a4dc590.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2 Ran around in B-series assault suit, ARing all game and the people who were there can vouch for it. Sorry that I don't have recording equipment, but it's plenty possible. Almost earned 2 OBs myself that match, and between our squad of 3 we almost had 4. On great matches with a full squad we've earned 4-5 fairly consistently, all depends on the flow of the match.. if its action packed or if people are quick to get pushed to the redline and make it a snorefest.
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.25 07:05:00 - [3] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: James-5955 wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Here's a pic as well http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3177/62spji9d_jpg.htm lol this is an average match. Your in my alliance, squad up sometime, 3 orbitals per match if you do your part. that doesnt prove your running around in an assault suit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tDBg-wTvpw Like I said, squad up broskie. I think 99% of forum dwellers know how I run in skirmish matches, as well as my brother Heimdallr69. No hate. One of the times, and possibly the only time I've seen YOUR NAME HERE in a match he was running assault suit and LR. Every time I see his brother he is running assault and AR; I've been impressed by him. Ty, I look forward to bunny matches lol. Challenges are better then pub stomps for sure! For sure man, they just need to hurry up and make the clan matches larger in terms of playercounts xD While smashing on randoms is fun for awhile it gets so stale X.x
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.25 07:12:00 - [4] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: sounds like another obs destroyed my tank argument, if you cant do anything outside of tanks you deserve to get red lined. 100% chance I break 100 with 5 orbitals, if I can hit 56 with only 2 mill in sp in my character I could easily hit 70 without any obs with protogear. Play enough and you may be able to, but even then you know it's only against garbage randoms. SP makes a difference but I wouldn't act like it's the end all be all, I can run around in my type II assault suit and compete just fine.. and outside of my upgrade from type II to b-series I'm about at the same point. Bad randoms that can't aim are easy to kill regardless of what gear you have unlocked, just need the right setting.. a garbage team, a garbage enemy team, them being dumb and bad enough to die so many times, and a fairly even match allowing plenty of time. Accomplishments from farming kills of of noobs pales in comparison to accomplishments earned against good teams. Being able to farm garbage players under the right circumstances isn't that impressive, and neither is hiding from real competition while farming the easy kills so you can post a pic of your end kills/deaths on FB and act like you got that score against good competition. Please dude, if you ever want good players to take you seriously then you shouldn't hide from competition, you should welcome it. Funny how the guy who always talks about how I'm a camper was so easy to hide from me all game, lol. If I weren't using a laser rifle that match I would've been more than happy to run up on you with an AR and show you how it's done, yet you talk about me using that LR from a distance like it's a bad thing and like I didn't have to.. if you knew anything about LRs, you'd know that run and gunning isn't a great choice when using one; my fitting with it makes me incredibly weak in EHP and easy to kill, if I move up anywhere near ARs optimal range I'd die with ease. Range is essential with that gun, use it some time and see for yourself. If only I had the ability to record still... MAG tryhard with a ego too big for him to fill, trying to justify himself by scoring high kill games against bad players. Priceless.
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.25 07:25:00 - [5] - Quote TheMarkOf22 wrote: James-5955 wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: sounds like another obs destroyed my tank argument, if you cant do anything outside of tanks you deserve to get red lined. 100% chance I break 100 with 5 orbitals, if I can hit 56 with only 2 mill in sp in my character I could easily hit 70 without any obs with protogear. Play enough and you may be able to, but even then you know it's only against garbage randoms. SP makes a difference but I wouldn't act like it's the end all be all, I can run around in my type II assault suit and compete just fine.. and outside of my upgrade from type II to b-series I'm about at the same point. Bad randoms that can't aim are easy to kill regardless of what gear you have unlocked, just need the right setting.. a garbage team, a garbage enemy team, them being dumb and bad enough to die so many times, and a fairly even match allowing plenty of time. Accomplishments from farming kills of of noobs pales in comparison to accomplishments earned against good teams. You do know who this is right? How did farming noobs carry over for you in the 3C vs ~^~ match? Your style of gameplay won't ever keep you sharp, poaching kills with lasers from 100 meters away is uber easy, up in your face gun game translates well to corp matches. Went 3-0 in corp battles today and never lost a gun fight. You talk about my style of gameplay as if you even know my style of gameplay. Talk with ANYONE who plays with me, I hardly ever use the laser rifle. Honestly, I've probably only used laser rifle in maybe 10-15 matches in my entire Dust time. The match that I kept you hiding from me, while we captured and held 2/3 letters almost all match long, I was still new to the laser rifle and getting used to it. Honestly, I don't think the laser rifle is even that good. Sure it can melt people quickly when at the right range, but the AR is much more versatile and drops people quickly. I haven't used the LR in quite awhile now and I usually don't unless it's a very open map & the enemy team is using a lot of heavy suits, because under those circumstances the LR is better. Any other time AR > LR, IMHO. 95%+ of the time I've played dust, I'm in an assault suit, run and gunning with AR. You're welcome to ask anyone who's played against me or plays with me, I stick with my assault suit & AR. [mag] 3C vs Flock means little to nothing and anyone who knew anything about that match would know that, but you being as ignorant as you are; of course you still cling onto that and use it against me. It's the ONLY thing you have on me, and the fact that I was able to constantly push against an entrenched 3C & friends during that phase of MAG while going positive and holding MVP says a lot; you're the only person who looks down at me from those matches, everyone else seems to think highly of me because of it. & I don't blame them, because I was on the losing side, pushing constantly for the win, and against "the best" clan (and friends, it's no mystery that 3C brought in ringers for that match). [/MAG] snipped personal attack - CCP Eterne
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.25 08:41:00 - [6] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: [quote=Belzeebub Santana]snipped off topic I seem to recall this thread being something about orbitals and them needing a bit of tweaking because it's too easy to earn them due to how much isk in gear it can destroy? Uggh, such mixed feelings on the subject, being an assault/AR guy that's barely spec'd into AV yet. Can't wait til later on when I'm done specing into my specialty and can branch out more, can't wait for proto swarms Protosuits first though, CBs ftw. I mean who cares about losing dropsuit that costs ~70k (IIRC) when the contract is worth millions? I think it's hard to say how anything can be considered balanced during such a state of the game when there's so much information missing, who knows how things could change a couple of months from now. It'll be interesting once people have more of a chance to branch out SP wise, I expect most people are still trying to become content with their own chosen playstyle regarding gear and skills. Most AV I've spec'd into so far is grenadier level 2.. which honestly, if someone hasn't done that yet, I highly recommend it, packed AV grenades are quite an improvement for such a small amount of invested SP. 1 packed AV grenade and about several GEK shots = dead LAV and some lawls.