DUST Search - The Truth of the Matter

Preacher Death 2 wrote:

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

Preacher Death 2 wrote:

April 25 if not sooner is when we will learn and get more.
This game is a beta atm not some "beta" demo marketing ploy like we recently saw with Crysis 3. If that is to abstract of a concept for someone to understand it would be best if they just left.
As soon as they release what they feel is their marketable build they undoubtedly create enough pr to get people to come back and try again.

oh watch out, CCP fanboy alert!

April 25th...LOL! And this is speculation of course, because fact is, you don't know. Your attitude towards people that leave makes me think you don't know how a game survives. It needs a player base, and when that's gone, they may as well shut down the servers.

You really think the casual gamer will go into an open beta thinking "yes, this is a beta, and the game isn't finished." No. "Beta" in the mind of a casual gamer means "Demo", thanks to games like BF, KZ, Crysis. They were glorified demos that maybe tested their servers out, so they called it beta.

You don't know SONY's marketing history do you. They may have the money to do it, but in reality they are cheapskates when it comes to that.

It will take more than just some adds on tv to get the casual gamer back after this horrid experience. By then he'll have more games to play.

The very bottom line of this whole thing comes down to gameplay. People want to shoot people in their face, and if that mechanic sucks, they'll play another shooter that does it better. SONY advertising DUST not going to make them come back when they remember why they deleted it in the first place.

Don't be so blinded by the CCP light. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but this is my view on the matter.

April 25th = Fanfest
If CCP was worried about people leaving there games Eve would be a much different game.
Dust will always have a long term player base and a constant flow of casual low level players. Which is how most F2P games tend to work.

Casual gamers come and go and for the most part do not buy anything. Losing a few here and there because they are looking at a work in progress and cannot understand the concept is irrelevant.

Sony's marketing? This isn't Sony's game.

All it takes are a few Youtube videos and people will flood back.

And yes I am blinded by the light. CCP has created a great world that is innovative and continues to grow. Been playing for 6 years now and heres to 6 more in Dust.


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Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.23 18:54:00 - [1] - Quote Saying DUST will turn out like EVE is a bit far fetched. Console gamers, and to be more precise, people that play First Person Shooters, not going to wait a couple years to be able to play more than 4 maps. I would love to see the numbers from closed beta, to open beta, and now. I'll bet the numbers show a rise in player count when OB first came out, then a drastic drop off 1-2 weeks after. I don't know what CCP was thinking releasing OB with the game in its current state, then to make things better they screwed around with the sound and people didn't have proper sound for about a week. You think people on the fence about playing the game really have patience for this? Nope. They see the problems, judge this game as being a demo, and not a "open beta", delete off HD, and go back to whatever generic shooter they were playing before, then wait for the new one to come out, in example BF4. The lack of communication from Devs is one thing, but having no time frame for anything is frustrating to say the least. Again I come back to this is CONSOLE GAMERS. Saying something is coming "SoonGäó" might be something of a joke on PC, but that joke ran dry 4 months ago for me. Using real money on this beta, and not getting any kind of serious reply from devs is bad for business. People who WERE thinking about playing this game, and judged it based on OB gameplay are long gone. They might come back when this gets on PS4...if it ever does considering the length of time it's taking to get on PS3, but SONY would have to market the crap out of it.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:29:00 - [2] - Quote Preacher Death 2 wrote: April 25 if not sooner is when we will learn and get more. This game is a beta atm not some "beta" demo marketing ploy like we recently saw with Crysis 3. If that is to abstract of a concept for someone to understand it would be best if they just left. As soon as they release what they feel is their marketable build they undoubtedly create enough pr to get people to come back and try again. oh watch out, CCP fanboy alert! April 25th...LOL! And this is speculation of course, because fact is, you don't know. Your attitude towards people that leave makes me think you don't know how a game survives. It needs a player base, and when that's gone, they may as well shut down the servers. You really think the casual gamer will go into an open beta thinking "yes, this is a beta, and the game isn't finished." No. "Beta" in the mind of a casual gamer means "Demo", thanks to games like BF, KZ, Crysis. They were glorified demos that maybe tested their servers out, so they called it beta. You don't know SONY's marketing history do you. They may have the money to do it, but in reality they are cheapskates when it comes to that. It will take more than just some adds on tv to get the casual gamer back after this horrid experience. By then he'll have more games to play. The very bottom line of this whole thing comes down to gameplay. People want to shoot people in their face, and if that mechanic sucks, they'll play another shooter that does it better. SONY advertising DUST not going to make them come back when they remember why they deleted it in the first place. Don't be so blinded by the CCP light. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but this is my view on the matter.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:42:00 - [3] - Quote Aighun wrote: Read the CSM minutes about Dust 514. Then resume thread. http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_December_2012.pdf There was a lot of talk about how to manage player expectations. CCP realize that they have to train their audience to accept a new approach to content. But this is only because they are pioneering that approach on consoles. No disc, so very low production costs after development. Very low distribution costs. It really is a new approach to gaming on console. But we are already seeing the rest of the market going in the same direction, with day one digital download, cloud saves, etc. In the future, with cheap and fast internet, cloud gaming, super fast networks, etc. there will be no reason to stick with the game in a box and bleed your customers dry for DLC, super gold premium packs, online passes, etc. model of game making other than to milk them for all they are worth while hoping they don't notice they are getting taken. ummm... I mean, what we have here is a game that evolves over time. And yes, they really are going to follow the same model as EVE. But it may be that more and more companies will follow that model going forward, with free to play or cheap to start games with low barriers to entry, that expand over time. That is what motivated me to check out DUST 514 in the first place. That it will be like EVE for a new audience. CCP do not need to change their game to meet the expectations of the console audience. WHat they can do instead is change the expectations of a console audience, and introduce them to what is to me a better way of making and sharing a game. I don't know what day one digital downloads have to do with anything here tbh. Those are complete games people are selling. You really think the business model that worked so great this gen is magically going to change next gen? You saw Activision profits? Billions of dollars. You think they going to change because a couple people THINK there's a new direction? Nothing's wrong with the F2P business model. That's not what anybody here is complaining about. CCP expects console gamers to think like PC gamers, and there's the problem. Changing the expectations of console owners? In what way? Making them wait for months for something to be added to a beta? That's suppose to train us for the future when they take month to fix anything in the game? I don't get it. Sure there's going to be some people sticking with CCP no matter what, but the average consumer, which is the majority of console games, will not. This way that they're handing DUST will not train anyone to be patient, instead it drives people away to another game. Don't get me wrong, I like DUST. I think the concept is brilliant, but I'm not blind. The gameplay sucks! Yes there's been improvement since E3, but it's not happening quick enough. Again, maybe I'm being to critical / cynical about this, but I for one am losing patience with the time it's taking to make this game / beta better.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:44:00 - [4] - Quote Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Why are there so many people who think that they are entitled? From the time i started using real money I felt I was entitled to an opinion. You can keep quiet and take what you get if you want.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:50:00 - [5] - Quote Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Why are there so many people who think that they are entitled? From the time i started using real money I felt I was entitled to an opinion. You can keep quiet and take what you get if you want. You have no say, just because you put money into an unfinished game. You are not an investor. LOL!!! Consumers are more important than investors sir. Without consumers who's going to buy their products? Said investors? I am entitled to have an opinion on anything I want tbh, but as a consumer to a product, you better believe I'll give my opinion.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:53:00 - [6] - Quote Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Yes you are entitle to an opinion, but you are not entitle to demand things from developers of a game. Where did I demand something?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.23 19:58:00 - [7] - Quote Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: Yes you are entitle to an opinion, but you are not entitle to demand things from developers of a game. Where did I demand something? IDk my original post was not directed at you. I just assumed you might have said someting, when you got all defensive. But...nobody demanded anything... you sure you posted in the right thread?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.23 20:08:00 - [8] - Quote Preacher Death 2 wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Preacher Death 2 wrote: April 25 if not sooner is when we will learn and get more. This game is a beta atm not some "beta" demo marketing ploy like we recently saw with Crysis 3. If that is to abstract of a concept for someone to understand it would be best if they just left. As soon as they release what they feel is their marketable build they undoubtedly create enough pr to get people to come back and try again. oh watch out, CCP fanboy alert! April 25th...LOL! And this is speculation of course, because fact is, you don't know. Your attitude towards people that leave makes me think you don't know how a game survives. It needs a player base, and when that's gone, they may as well shut down the servers. You really think the casual gamer will go into an open beta thinking "yes, this is a beta, and the game isn't finished." No. "Beta" in the mind of a casual gamer means "Demo", thanks to games like BF, KZ, Crysis. They were glorified demos that maybe tested their servers out, so they called it beta. You don't know SONY's marketing history do you. They may have the money to do it, but in reality they are cheapskates when it comes to that. It will take more than just some adds on tv to get the casual gamer back after this horrid experience. By then he'll have more games to play. The very bottom line of this whole thing comes down to gameplay. People want to shoot people in their face, and if that mechanic sucks, they'll play another shooter that does it better. SONY advertising DUST not going to make them come back when they remember why they deleted it in the first place. Don't be so blinded by the CCP light. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but this is my view on the matter. April 25th = Fanfest If CCP was worried about people leaving there games Eve would be a much different game. Dust will always have a long term player base and a constant flow of casual low level players. Which is how most F2P games tend to work. Casual gamers come and go and for the most part do not buy anything. Losing a few here and there because they are looking at a work in progress and cannot understand the concept is irrelevant. Sony's marketing? This isn't Sony's game. All it takes are a few Youtube videos and people will flood back. And yes I am blinded by the light. CCP has created a great world that is innovative and continues to grow. Been playing for 6 years now and heres to 6 more in Dust. This isn't a SONY game??? *facepalm... I'm not even going to explain this...you'll figure it out eventually...maybe. Yeah go ahead and think a couple Youtube videos will bring people back. Good luck with that. You keep talking about EVE and comparing it to DUST. Please, don't compare a PC game, to a console game. 2 Very different markets.