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Jaiden Longshot
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:13:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:'I don't get it, without support skills, and the ability to fit proto type shield mods and such the prototype suit is a waste. There is no way you can have your support skills up in time if you go straight for prototype suits.
You need fitting skills, armor and shield skills, and so on. Those will make an advance logi beat a prototype logi every time. What this guy said. I don't have a sexy black suit to walk around the warbarge in but my Type-I and A-Series are solid fits.
Actually....it really depends on what gear / equipment you are running / plan to run.
Once you start stacking ADV gear all over the place let me know how many of those things you can fit on your Type A.
First few builds I focused on the primary weapon, shield skills, and other core skills. Personally, I found that every time I upgraded nanocircuitry to fit the next hive or injector with say an ADV AR and my other goodies I was having to spend SP on more core skills for fitting or light weapon upgrades....and then I'm looking at the next suit.
This time around I went with the suits and shield skills first while dabbling in LW SS and Weaponry along the way. Still using an STD AR simply because I can't decide on a primary weapon and CPP keeps teasing me with the Scrambler Rifle.
Both paths have valid arguments but your crazy if you think going for PROTO suits fairly early is a poor option. Especially if your corp is actively battling. |
Jaiden Longshot
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
216
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:31:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Jaiden Longshot wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:'I don't get it, without support skills, and the ability to fit proto type shield mods and such the prototype suit is a waste. There is no way you can have your support skills up in time if you go straight for prototype suits.
You need fitting skills, armor and shield skills, and so on. Those will make an advance logi beat a prototype logi every time. What this guy said. I don't have a sexy black suit to walk around the warbarge in but my Type-I and A-Series are solid fits. Actually....it really depends on what gear / equipment you are running / plan to run. Once you start stacking ADV gear all over the place let me know how many of those things you can fit on your Type A. First few builds I focused on the primary weapon, sheild skills, and other core skills. Personally, I found that every time I upgraded nanocircuitry to fit the next hive or injector with say an ADV AR and my other goodies I was having to spend SP on more core skills for fitting or light weapon upgrades....and then I'm looking at the next suit. This time around I went with the suits and shield skills first while dabbling in LW SS and Weaponry along the way. Still using an STD AR simply because I can't decide on a primary weapon and CPP keeps teasing me with the Scrambler Rifle. Both paths have valid arguments but your crazy if you think going for PROTO suits fairly early is a poor option. Especially if your corp is actively battling. I have all advanced gear on my A-Series except for the shield extenders, which are next on the list. I now have plenty of cpu and power grid to support those as well since my rank 1 fitting skills are all maxed. After that it'll be weaponry support skills and then onto prototype mass driver. Only then will I start training for the prototype suit so I can start hanging prototype modules on it.
Like I said....both paths are effective. Are you arguing that only your way is the best way? |
Jaiden Longshot
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:57:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Jaiden Longshot wrote:Like I said....both paths are effective. Are you arguing that only your way is the best way? Which route do you think is more effective? 1. Unlock expensive suits first and equip them with less effective gear but with plenty of free CPU and power grid. 2. Maximize lower cost suits and gear and move to the more expensive suit when you can't squeeze any more benefit out of them. I know the route I'm taking. The first thing to train to the next tier will also be my weapon.
That depends...If you're talking about Assault....
You can't get near the tank a PROTO suit can nor can you carry as many equipment items.
I'm not going to assume you haven't been here for a while but most of the older closed testers have seen the difference between the gun variants narrowed to where many of us think you are better off using STD or ADV weapons for the fitting benefits.
A PROTO suit player with complex extenders will not only out tank you by a mile but he will also likely have RE's to go with the hive or a hive and injector combo....or a repper...or an uplink. We do CB quit a bit so having more fitting options is important and that extra equipment slot is a distinct advantage when you have a whole squad of Assault guys with 2 equipment slots.
Personally, I've done it both ways but I'm glad I knocked PROTO out early this time. Especially considering I can't decide on a primary weapon specialization.
To each their own....just saying your dismissing the thoughts of very successful corps who have been at this a while.
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Jaiden Longshot
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
216
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:33:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Jaiden Longshot wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Jaiden Longshot wrote:Like I said....both paths are effective. Are you arguing that only your way is the best way? Which route do you think is more effective? 1. Unlock expensive suits first and equip them with less effective gear but with plenty of free CPU and power grid. 2. Maximize lower cost suits and gear and move to the more expensive suit when you can't squeeze any more benefit out of them. I know the route I'm taking. The first thing to train to the next tier will also be my weapon. That depends...If you're talking about Assault.... You can't get near the tank a PROTO suit can nor can you carry as many equipment items. I'm not going to assume you haven't been here for a while but most of the older closed testers have seen the difference between the gun variants narrowed to where many of us think you are better off using STD or ADV weapons for the fitting benefits. A PROTO suit player with complex extenders will not only out tank you by a mile but he will also likely have RE's to go with the hive or a hive and injector combo....or a repper...or an uplink. We do CB quit a bit so having more fitting options is important and that extra equipment slot is a distinct advantage when you have a whole squad of Assault guys with 2 equipment slots. Personally, I've done it both ways but I'm glad I knocked PROTO out early this time. Especially considering I can't decide on a primary weapon specialization. To each their own....just saying your dismissing the thoughts of very successful corps who have been at this a while. I've been here since closed beta. The point brought up earlier was ignoring core skills to get into a prototype logistics suit as fast as possible. At this point unlocking a prototype suit means the vast majority of your SP is in the suit and not much else. I have 3.2 mil SP entirely in logistics and core skills and nothing else and my best suit is the A-Series. Others probably have a bit more SP than I do because I've been working overtime since before the reset. If I had aimed for the suit I would have no other skills trained today.
IMO, it's even more important in Logistics to get that suit leveled up b/c you are severely lacking tank until ADV. At least in Assault you can rock the Type II fairly successfully for quite a while and the PROTO Logi is one fo the better suits in the game right now and certainly the most versatile.
I'm not doubting that you didn't think your skill plan out. As I said....both ways can be effective.
However, dismissing the benefits of PROTO in favor of core skills is kind of short sided, IMO. I have gone at it both ways in multiple suit classes. I would be even more inclined to knock out the Logi suit skills very early on if I was on that path.
Would I have it at 3.2 mil SP....maybe not...but I would already be in an advanced suit and already saving for PROTO.
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Jaiden Longshot
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
216
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:34:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Going proto suit 1st doesn't work with heavy 
100% agree with waiting on the PROTO heavy |
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