What? I played with a mouse and Keyboard for a few games, and there was definitely an improvement over playing with Controller. My aiming was dead center and my turning speed was significantly increased. I think you just need to adjust your in game sensitivity, or buy a better mouse and keyboard.

No way man, my friend has the same problems and he has a $70 mouse

My mouse works just fine on counter-strike and the sensitivy its 100

Plus i have 4 DPI settings on the mouse and even the highest one i have to pick up the mouse 3 x's to turn around

The "Dead Zone" in the mouse's aiming is very bad. I hope you know what i mean by dead zone, its kind of hard to explain.

I saw a post earlier saying to make the mouse and keyboard less powerful, its totally bs. The reason people shell out the money for a good keyboard and mouse is to have an advantage. Why would you take that away from them?

Maybe we should just give everyone exactly the same skill points and unlock all weapons that way nobody has an advatange (sarcasm)

Seriously though i bought a new M/K and there is no "major advantage" or even a slight advantage like there SHOULD be one. You can turn around quicker with a controller, The sensitivity needs to be tweaked (x sensitivity, y sensitivity......maybe because aiming up is alot harder and feels slower than aiming side to side) and the responsiveness while aiming long range is really bad. There are spots where the mouse skips over.....most the time that spot is where the enemy is and the speed of the mouse is not able to catch up with an enemy running especially while aiming down the sights.

Please CCP work on making the mouse more like people expect it to be, like playing Counter strike on the pc

I challenge the devs to play counterstrike or mw3, or any FPS on the pc then play dust 514 with m/k.
It should help

No way man, my friend has the same problems and he has a $70 mouse

My mouse works just fine on counter-strike and the sensitivy its 100 on dust

Plus i have 4 DPI settings on the mouse and even the highest one i have to pick up the mouse 3 x's to turn around

So you want the KB/M kombo to grant you an advantage since you bought it for money?

There is just so much fail here I dunno how to respond. I'll try:

- You are for a "pay to win" formula which makes you an A-hole in itself.

- Getting a slight advantage through getting equipment faster and indeed the skillpoint boosters are not the same as having a mechanical advantage all the time. Its too much, its already too good IMO.

- You bought the damn mouse, you didn't support the game as people do with Aurum, the mouse can be used for other stuff than playing Dust, what makes you think you deserve an advantade?

- Why should a KB/M setup be better to use than a DS3 controller on a freaking console? If it were up to me they'd just remove the KB/M as an option. This is meant as a console game to be "merged" with a PC game, if the KB/M combo is better than the DS3 they should simply have made the game for PCs in the first place. IMO the only reason for having KB/M as an alternative is to cater to all the Eve players that can't use or rather can't be bothered to learn how to handle a controller properly.

- So many KB/M players have told me how OP certain kombinations are, they say its borderlining cheating. This goes for sniping, tanks and the fatsuit Ar combo.

- Obviously you're doing something wrong.

YOU ARE BAD AND SHOULD FEEL BAD, HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME.

No way man, my friend has the same problems and he has a $70 mouse

My mouse works just fine on counter-strike and the sensitivy its 100 on dust

Plus i have 4 DPI settings on the mouse and even the highest one i have to pick up the mouse 3 x's to turn around

Under Accessory Settings, there is a "Mouse Pointer Speed" setting that you may need to change, a lot of the more expensive gaming mice need this set to "fast" for their DPI settings to work properly, without that it feels like you are moving the mouse through sludge it can be that slow.

@KingBabar: *Any* PC/KBM player is going to feel like they have an advantage over Controller Players, because that is what they are used to, and a controller feels crap to them (and me).

The same goes for players who are purely used to controllers, their KBM skills are going to suck, so when using it they feel like they have an advantage over KBM Players. There is no major advantage of one over another gameplay wise, besides purely what the player is used to. I, personally, cannot use those controllers for FPS for crap. When I have grown up using a KBM for nearly 30 years, it is how I play and is what I am used to. If I were forced to use that POS control I would not even be here playin the game.

There are amazing players using both control sets. Perhaps you need to pick up your own game if you think KBM has such an 'advantage'?

The "Dead Zone" in the mouse's aiming is very bad. I hope you know what i mean by dead zone, its kind of hard to explain.

I saw a post earlier saying to make the mouse and keyboard less powerful, its totally bs. The reason people shell out the money for a good keyboard and mouse is to have an advantage. Why would you take that away from them?

Maybe we should just give everyone exactly the same skill points and unlock all weapons that way nobody has an advatange (sarcasm)

Seriously though i bought a new M/K and there is no "major advantage" or even a slight advantage like there SHOULD be one. You can turn around quicker with a controller, The sensitivity needs to be tweaked (x sensitivity, y sensitivity......maybe because aiming up is alot harder and feels slower than aiming side to side) and the responsiveness while aiming long range is really bad. There are spots where the mouse skips over.....most the time that spot is where the enemy is and the speed of the mouse is not able to catch up with an enemy running especially while aiming down the sights.

Please CCP work on making the mouse more like people expect it to be, like playing Counter strike on the pc

I challenge the devs to play counterstrike or mw3, or any FPS on the pc then play dust 514 with m/k.
It should help

<3 100-110th place. That had me dying laughing.

No and no. I have talked to several guys who is used to the DS3 and they have hooked up a KB/M setup to their PS3 just to test it out and said players come to me and describe the various benefits to me. Thats all I have to go on, I haven't tried it myself. But obviously there is something wrong when a dude used to using controllers for 10 years hook up a KB/M and phones me just to tell me how amazing the tank controls suddenly got. There has to be something to it....

And you write;
There are amazing players using both control sets. Perhaps you need to pick up your own game if you think KBM has such an 'advantage'?

Do me a favor and go to the leaderboards, go to about 100-110th place globally and check my stats, then come back here and tell me to "pick my game up". Don't toss about insults when you have no idea who you are talking to...

Ok, Yes there is a bug with Controllers not reaching full acceleration on Tanks (and possibly other vehicles) while they do on KBM, However that is more of a bug with Controllers than an advantage for KBM. Perhaps I should have clarified that a bit, but it is not like that bug is a secret, it is plastered all over the Tech Support forums, and CCP acknowledged it in IRC and are working on it. This *is* a beta, bug finding is what we are supposed to be doing. As for being better in general, no I don't believe there is any advantage besides what you are used to using. Perhaps you should try it yourself? That would certainly be a better way to find out than relying on third party information that may or may not be as accurate.

I honestly don't care who you think you are ingame. As such I probably should have phrased what I said better, but oh well. The point I was trying to make, is you are coming across as attacking KBM in every single thread about the subject, either because you don't personally like it, or because there is some perceived advantage (outside of known bugs) other than what one is used to.

I, personally, cannot use Controllers for FPS games for crap. Near 30 Years of PC/KBM Gaming will do that to a person. Yes I am a PC Gamer, but I have never disparaged consoles in general. I love consoles for bringing accessible gaming to the General Masses. I also love the fact that Sony and CCP have decided to give me the same freedom of choice in using my preferred input method, that PC Gamers Enjoy, by allowing me to use my preferred method, just as a PC Gamer can plug in/use a controller for games with which they prefer to use one. There are definitely some games in which I prefer to use a controller of some sort. Racing Games for example, you simply don't have the fine axis control on a keyboard like you do with a Controller, it is either full on or full off, no inbetween. Despite the acceleration bug, I still feel controllers are better for flying a Dropship in DUST. Again, personal preference, some may prefer KBM for that.

If I could not use my KBM, I would not be playing the game. It is as simple as that. I was around in Closed Beta since Mordu's Trials opened up, but I didn't start playing a lot until they added KBM support. I tried, I really did, but I just cannot use controllers for FPS. This is also not the first console FPS I have tried. I went out and bought one of the new Super-Slim PS3s with 12gb Flash Storage, plenty enough for DUST, so that I didn't have to keep borrowing my brother's PS3 all the time. This is definitely a good thing for Sony and CCP, but it would never have happened if they didn't add KBM support. It has also opened me to another platform for gaming, and I have been trying many new games because of it. I also know many others like me, who grew up on KBM, who cannot use Controllers for FPS, and would not be playing DUST if they were forced to use one. Many of them own PS3s, play plenty of games on em, but not FPS due to that one factor. I think Sony and CCP are bloody smart to give DUSTers the only real advantage (in my opinion) PC Gaming has over Console gaming, and that is the advantage of CHOICE. The ability to choose what you want to use to play the game, instead of being forced into one or another form of input.

I love DUST, have played EVE for years, give plenty of money to CCP and Sony, hell I bought a PS3 just for this game. Should I be excluded from the game simply because you don't personally like KBM? I don't think that is fair, in any way, shape or form. I'd much rather find and get bugs fixed, and open this game to as many people as possible, regardless of what input method they prefer.

Agreed in general terms. They should make it as equal as possible. The OP however is asking for a "buff" to KB/M, which is very wrong indeed. I have no plans what so ever for buying a KB/M for this game. In Seraphim we have many good players using the KB/M setup, many of them say its better than controllers for a number of reasons. The guy I told you about calling me I have known for 20 years and played with him for almost 10, the sources are reliable.

I really don't think the advantage the KB/M people have is such a big deal really, its just that its more effective with some playstyles. In other words, the KB/M combo needs a a slight nerf in some areas to put it at the same level as a DS3, it definately don't need a buff at least....

The "Dead Zone" in the mouse's aiming is very bad. I hope you know what i mean by dead zone, its kind of hard to explain.

I saw a post earlier saying to make the mouse and keyboard less powerful, its totally bs. The reason people shell out the money for a good keyboard and mouse is to have an advantage. Why would you take that away from them?

Maybe we should just give everyone exactly the same skill points and unlock all weapons that way nobody has an advatange (sarcasm)

Seriously though i bought a new M/K and there is no "major advantage" or even a slight advantage like there SHOULD be one. You can turn around quicker with a controller, The sensitivity needs to be tweaked (x sensitivity, y sensitivity......maybe because aiming up is alot harder and feels slower than aiming side to side) and the responsiveness while aiming long range is really bad. There are spots where the mouse skips over.....most the time that spot is where the enemy is and the speed of the mouse is not able to catch up with an enemy running especially while aiming down the sights.

Please CCP work on making the mouse more like people expect it to be, like playing Counter strike on the pc

I challenge the devs to play counterstrike or mw3, or any FPS on the pc then play dust 514 with m/k.
It should help