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Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:35:00 -
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why is it that the final products are progressively worst than the previous products?
aliens colonial marines
battlefield sounds
battlefield terrain |
Geth Massredux
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:41:00 -
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There not smart like CCP... that explains it.
Games go to final stages and are crap sometimes. Unlike CCP they take it slow and steady, I guess thats why we hear so many people say EVE online is still in beta which I guess is correct since they still add expansion packs etc |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:44:00 -
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The ones I know that got worse were because another company stepped in- like EA with SWTOR |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:46:00 -
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Dunno but the modders are going to town on aliens CM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUMxa3NqS3M |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:46:00 -
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Usually it's because the fancy alpha version eats up too many resources to be played on anything but a dev kit. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:48:00 -
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Aliens was a fake demo reel. Or some other version they scrapped. |
Barnabas Wrex
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:56:00 -
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Because developers think we're idiots.
How many pre-order sales did Aliens Colonial Marines get? lol |
Alejandro Pereira
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:05:00 -
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Barnabas Wrex wrote:Because developers think we're idiots.
How many pre-order sales did Aliens Colonial Marines get? lol
Its not the developers exactly, more so the marketers + management and needing to release to make money on the product to recoup losses during development. The devs , for the most part, want to make the most awesome game they can but are subjected to the afore mentioned groups . |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:39:00 -
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I chuckled at the battlefield 3 sounds video. None of those changes lower the quality of the game experience. If they had changed to lower resolution weapon sounds or something I could understand the complaint, but more concise messages and quieter reward jingles put more emphasis on the action. These were improvements.
And terrain deformation may not be as impressive as it was but you can still make effective foxholes in the dirt or pit a road so much with mines that it is hard to drive on. That video suggests that the feature was all but removed. Perhaps they improved the feature since the video was made.
As far as how this relates to Dust and other games, yes expectations will not be met and changes will be made that players don't like. Faction warfare may not be as awesome as it sounds or it may take five years before it really works. But just like Colonial Marines, we wont know until it is actually released. But just because some games don't meet our expectations doesn't mean all are doomed to fail either. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.20 02:57:00 -
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I agree that the developers aren't taking us as fools. Only those who we like to call Pencil Pushers and Bean Counters are the problem. Every game company that is backed by multi-million dollar investors such as EA, Activision, Microsoft, Infinity Ward, Epic Games, etc. have always been forced to rush development because the investors just don't want to wait for their money.
Currently, CCP Games is a privately owned company that has not yet filed an IPO in the open market.
I don't know how Iceland's laws are in regards to companies having to file an IPO, but in the United States we have a law that specifically requires any and all businesses that reach a certain number of investors to file and IPO and go public. If CCP were to grow in terms of number of investors and hit that mark, I will worry that CCP might one day become a publicly-owned entity that would then be forced to cater too much to its investors and little to its loyal customers. I believe this is what Facebook was afraid of when they were forced to go public in the market. |
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GeneralButtNaked
Burnwall Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:06:00 -
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Moonracer2000 wrote:I chuckled at the battlefield 3 sounds video.
I wouldn't be chuckling. BF3 is a good example of how a dev can crap all over their product, especially for the console market.
Remember the coms in the BF beta? Crystal clear but you couldn't mute anyone. Release? VOIP completely broken, stayed that way for months. No word on it for the longest time.
How about input lag? Took them what, 6 months to even admit that it was a problem, let alone do anything to fix it. Took them two stabs at it as well.
There are still glitches in Metro, you think they are going to get fixed with the last BF3 patch?
As far as dev support, Dust is far out ahead of BF3. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:17:00 -
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Most game developers don't care about their game, and how it does after they've received their initial sales. Once the money rolls in, they're finished with that game, and move onto the to the next one. They have maybe 2-3 people are work on maintaining the game, which means updates are few, and rare.
Some companies give their games constant support. Like CCP. Sure, their updates may take a couple months. But at-least they TRY to stabilize the game with hot fixes while they work on a major patch. That is something I'm grateful for. Even if some of those updates aren't the best. |
Alejandro Pereira
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
I don't know how Iceland's laws are in regards to companies having to file an IPO, but in the United States we have a law that specifically requires any and all businesses that reach a certain number of investors to file and IPO and go public. If CCP were to grow in terms of number of investors and hit that mark, I will worry that CCP might one day become a publicly-owned entity that would then be forced to cater too much to its investors and little to its loyal customers. I believe this is what Facebook was afraid of when they were forced to go public in the market.
I'm sorry to troll you sir, but unfortunately you are incorrect in this assertion. I give you example A:
Quote:Cargill
- Business type: Food, Drink & Tobacco
- Annual revenue:109.56 Bill (est.)
- 126,800 employees
Its is the largest Privately held US company and you can guarantee lots of investors not card carrying stock holders. There is no law making a company go public when they have too many investors. A company goes public to try to get more money as to not use its own capitol for investments and the like.
There is more to this but beyond the scope of this correction. |
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