DUST Search - Is fatsuit + AR the ultimate easy mode?

Jack Boost wrote:

From long time I run only this hybrid.
If you thing about shinny glorry of it.. just try.
Easy mode: no

It can be useful: yes.

The only one thing on plus is more hp.. and only this. This is not for 'man I fight you around 30 sec and you still alive'. But for getting surprised and you get additional about 300ms to decide what is your next move/target/etc. Wrong choice you are dead. Your HP buff dissapera and you dead.
Be aware what you do, where and timing. Be cool and precise. Anyway you dead.

Pros:
Little hp buff for more time to decision.

Cons:
Heavy :( (regen, ammo, move/turning, no jump at all, from type-II to proto not enough slots to counter adv and proto assault dropsuit)
AR - soon not enough DPS for combat.

And I can tell more about balancing:
Heavy + AR < Heavy HMG - in close to far mid. Hit box and move speed. So easy things for assault dont work here. I must relay on my DPS and precision. No way to outcome DPS from HMG

Assault + AR < Heavy + AR - any range for AR. Hit box and move speed - again. Things that you can do for type+II assault you cant do to adv/prot assault. Why? Same weapon? When you barley hit assault with all clip, he just put all into you. No fast regen, little work and you loose any fight. If you dont have decent DPS .. forget. But How you can do more DPS in 2 slots ad far less CPU/PG? (Dead end?: yes)

So CCP if you read this. Show little love for decent heavy dropsuit. And give 1-2 slot more and decent amount of CPU/PG for it. Heavy can back to do things that you design. Win 1 to 1 and loose in 2+ to 1. Now this is broken.

If you cry now for heavies (any), you will cry for assault soon when people skill up for adv and proto dropsuits.

If you can manage hard time when you are heavy (any), Big smile

welcome and have fun with us.

P.S.
And yes KingBabar ;) you can play better.

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Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.20 01:55:00 - [31] - Quote Everything is OP
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 641	Posted - 2013.02.20 01:57:00 - [32] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Assuming equal skill level: New Heavy >> New Assault Experienced Heavy < Experienced Assault Pro Heavy <<< Pro Assault Heavy suits are definitely beginner friendly, but they're a lot harder to use against more skilled opponents. Easy to use, hard to master. Proto heavy suits also suck... so yeah. Edit: That was sarcasm Lance, lol dammit dude I can't hear the tone in text lol
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 320	Posted - 2013.02.20 01:59:00 - [33] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: I was Heavy AR running proto AR for 5-6 months. Probably more. It's not as effective as you think as I couldn't be competitive against assault players who knew what they were doing. It really needs a mouse/keyboard so you can make every shot count - if you're shooting without hitting you're going to cry a lot. It's not cheap being heavy and putting on a weapon that limits your firepower to 60 shots a clip is going to get you into very rough situations. We can't run - only fight or die. HMG is made for that sort of combat - AR isn't. So I'd say it's great for pub stomping and countering other heavies who don't have back up - and that's it. This.
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2013.02.20 03:09:00 - [34] - Quote KryptixX wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: I was Heavy AR running proto AR for 5-6 months. Probably more. It's not as effective as you think as I couldn't be competitive against assault players who knew what they were doing. It really needs a mouse/keyboard so you can make every shot count - if you're shooting without hitting you're going to cry a lot. It's not cheap being heavy and putting on a weapon that limits your firepower to 60 shots a clip is going to get you into very rough situations. We can't run - only fight or die. HMG is made for that sort of combat - AR isn't. So I'd say it's great for pub stomping and countering other heavies who don't have back up - and that's it. This. Nice timing for this thread. Seeing a lot of fatties with light weapons past couple days. Nomnomnom.
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.02.20 03:44:00 - [35] - Quote I've ran into it a few times so far... Been seeing a lot more heavies lately. IMHO 1v1 with a heavy using AR, in an assault suit with AR is pretty damn difficult when its a up close battle unless the heavy is bad. Ran into one good heavy that used an AR and was able to almost win a 1v1 against him, on both occasions we both had full health and full HP. Though the guys only deaths were from dying to another player right after our gunfights, so it was a competent player. IDK how I'd expect it to work on a constant basis though, but from what I've seen it's a fairly effective set up. I wouldn't call it OP, but I wouldn't be against trying it myself.
LoveNewlooy WarRavens 6	Posted - 2013.02.20 03:48:00 - [36] - Quote well fat + ar make us more easy to kills,since we dont have to worry about the HMG, since fatie just too slow
Syther Shadows CowTek 7	Posted - 2013.02.20 04:05:00 - [37] - Quote Oh your standing in the thick of it with a ar trying to shoot people from behind cover sniper rifle
Vance Alken Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 94	Posted - 2013.02.20 05:14:00 - [38] - Quote People complain about all this zany stuff being OP but all I ever see in pub games are ARs (mostly GEKs, followed by militia) on assault suits.
Cody Sietz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 63	Posted - 2013.02.20 05:34:00 - [39] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: KingBabar wrote: I mean come on, 1000 HP and a Duvolle? How much help do you need? The word "crutch" has been thrown around a lot on these forums... With a duvolle its a cheap tactic..other AR's tend to be fine though I respect these words...
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 441	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:16:00 - [40] - Quote First off: don't throw the "if you know what you're doing" argument in my face, I do know what I'm doing, check my stats on the leaderboards if you have to confirm this. Secondly: Yes its true, I met a squad of 3 fatsuit AR guys +1 Logi and they played tight and had good aim, so yeah, a litttle butthurt I might be. It was quite clear that these guys were using KB/M kombo, they were extremely accurate and had a surprisngly high strafeing speed. And I have tried this combo on my "Another fat Bastard" alt and I do think its way to easy t just go in there, gun blazing and simply out tank anyone. An almost 3 KDR on a character with very little skillpoints and not least using a basic tactical assault rifle which almost no one uses cause its utter crap. If I'd skilled that character up to 4M skillpoints instead of my main I believe I could easily have gottten a 10+ KDR. You don't see many getting 40-50 kills simply because its a slow moving build dependant on others or ammo dumps to resupply. You do however see many of them going 15-0. And lastly: I have not called it op, and I have not asked for any change. I merely think that most of these guys who use it aren't as good as they might think.... Its easy mode.

SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:22:00 - [41] - Quote KingBabar wrote: First off: don't throw the "if you know what you're doing" argument in my face, I do know what I'm doing, check my stats on the leaderboards if you have to confirm this. Secondly: Yes its true, I met a squad of 3 fatsuit AR guys +1 Logi and they played tight and had good aim, so yeah, a litttle butthurt I might be. It was quite clear that these guys were using KB/M kombo, they were extremely accurate and had a surprisngly high strafeing speed. And I have tried this combo on my "Another fat Bastard" alt and I do think its way to easy t just go in there, gun blazing and simply out tank anyone. An almost 3 KDR on a character with very little skillpoints and not least using a basic tactical assault rifle which almost no one uses cause its utter crap. If I'd skilled that character up to 4M skillpoints instead of my main I believe I could easily have gottten a 10+ KDR. You don't see many getting 40-50 kills simply because its a slow moving build dependant on others or ammo dumps to resupply. You do however see many of them going 15-0. And lastly: I have not called it op, and I have not asked for any change. I merely think that most of these guys who use it aren't as good as they might think.... Its easy mode. >_> From what you've said - it's only easy mode with KB/M and back-up + Logi. How is that anything but playing the game the way it was ment to be played? Isn't everything easy mode in that situation?
Scalesdini Universal Allies Inc. 57	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:23:00 - [42] - Quote Sorry for all the heavies using AR. It's my fault. People see me do it and think they can too. They usually can't.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:39:00 - [43] - Quote nope not really I can dodge most rounds he can't, also I rep faster, an AR heavy may be good against one play of equal skill, but loses against one of better skill or more then one opponent almost every time. not to mention is less useful on the field then a scout, tho we will see what bonuses the heave with out a H slot has that might be powerfull as ****.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:44:00 - [44] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: KingBabar wrote: First off: don't throw the "if you know what you're doing" argument in my face, I do know what I'm doing, check my stats on the leaderboards if you have to confirm this. Secondly: Yes its true, I met a squad of 3 fatsuit AR guys +1 Logi and they played tight and had good aim, so yeah, a litttle butthurt I might be. It was quite clear that these guys were using KB/M kombo, they were extremely accurate and had a surprisngly high strafeing speed. And I have tried this combo on my "Another fat Bastard" alt and I do think its way to easy t just go in there, gun blazing and simply out tank anyone. An almost 3 KDR on a character with very little skillpoints and not least using a basic tactical assault rifle which almost no one uses cause its utter crap. If I'd skilled that character up to 4M skillpoints instead of my main I believe I could easily have gottten a 10+ KDR. You don't see many getting 40-50 kills simply because its a slow moving build dependant on others or ammo dumps to resupply. You do however see many of them going 15-0. And lastly: I have not called it op, and I have not asked for any change. I merely think that most of these guys who use it aren't as good as they might think.... Its easy mode. >_> From what you've said - it's only easy mode with KB/M and back-up + Logi. How is that anything but playing the game the way it was ment to be played? Isn't everything easy mode in that situation? agreed I would fear that set up with type1/b/vk0 assaults way more, tho I still think the scariest squad I came across was an AR assault/SG assault/HMG heavy, thank god they didn't have a MD logi in there or I woulda been super ******.
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 164	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:11:00 - [45] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I mean come on, 1000 HP and a Duvolle? How much help do you need? The word "crutch" has been thrown around a lot on these forums... Not just that - my shield Duvolle Bunny keeps going with 600 shield soon :)
Knight Enforcer Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:17:00 - [46] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I mean come on, 1000 HP and a Duvolle? How much help do you need? The word "crutch" has been thrown around a lot on these forums... The words "Sore loser" has too.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 441	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:28:00 - [47] - Quote Knight Enforcer wrote: KingBabar wrote: I mean come on, 1000 HP and a Duvolle? How much help do you need? The word "crutch" has been thrown around a lot on these forums... The words "Sore loser" has too. LOL Sore yes, loser no.
Knight Enforcer Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:34:00 - [48] - Quote Well whoever it was, Was a smart guy until everyone realises the cons to such a suit and tactics
Jack Boost Zarena Family 194	Posted - 2013.02.20 12:08:00 - [49] - Quote From long time I run only this hybrid. If you think about shinny glory of it.. just try. Easy mode: no It can be useful: yes. The only one thing on plus is more hp.. and only this. This is not for 'man I fight you around 30 sec and you still alive'. But for getting surprised and you get additional about 300ms to decide what is your next move/target/etc. Wrong choice you are dead. Your HP buff dissappear and you dead. Be aware what you do, where and timing. Be cool and precise. Anyway you dead. Pros: Little hp buff for more time to decision. Cons: Heavy :( (regen, ammo, move/turning, no jump at all, from type-II to proto not enough slots to counter adv and proto assault dropsuit) AR - soon not enough DPS for combat. And I can tell more about balancing: Heavy + AR < Heavy HMG - in close to far mid. Hit box and move speed. So easy things for assault dont work here. I must relay on my DPS and precision. No way to outcome DPS from HMG Assault + AR < Heavy + AR - any range for AR. Hit box and move speed - again. Things that you can do for type+II assault you cant do to adv/prot assault. Why? Same weapon? When you barley hit assault with all clip, he just put all into you. No fast regen, little work and you loose any fight. If you dont have decent DPS .. forget. But How you can do more DPS in 2 slots ad far less CPU/PG? (Dead end?: yes) So CCP if you read this. Show little love for decent heavy dropsuit. And give 1-2 slot more and additional amount of CPU/PG for it. Heavy can back to do things that you design. Win 1 to 1 and loose in 2+ to 1. Now this is broken. If you cry now for heavies (any), you will cry for assault soon when people skill up for adv and proto dropsuits. If you can manage hard time when you are heavy (any), welcome and have fun with us. P.S. And yes KingBabar ;) you can play better.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 441	Posted - 2013.02.20 12:17:00 - [50] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: From long time I run only this hybrid. If you thing about shinny glorry of it.. just try. Easy mode: no It can be useful: yes. The only one thing on plus is more hp.. and only this. This is not for 'man I fight you around 30 sec and you still alive'. But for getting surprised and you get additional about 300ms to decide what is your next move/target/etc. Wrong choice you are dead. Your HP buff dissapera and you dead. Be aware what you do, where and timing. Be cool and precise. Anyway you dead. Pros: Little hp buff for more time to decision. Cons: Heavy :( (regen, ammo, move/turning, no jump at all, from type-II to proto not enough slots to counter adv and proto assault dropsuit) AR - soon not enough DPS for combat. And I can tell more about balancing: Heavy + AR < Heavy HMG - in close to far mid. Hit box and move speed. So easy things for assault dont work here. I must relay on my DPS and precision. No way to outcome DPS from HMG Assault + AR < Heavy + AR - any range for AR. Hit box and move speed - again. Things that you can do for type+II assault you cant do to adv/prot assault. Why? Same weapon? When you barley hit assault with all clip, he just put all into you. No fast regen, little work and you loose any fight. If you dont have decent DPS .. forget. But How you can do more DPS in 2 slots ad far less CPU/PG? (Dead end?: yes) So CCP if you read this. Show little love for decent heavy dropsuit. And give 1-2 slot more and decent amount of CPU/PG for it. Heavy can back to do things that you design. Win 1 to 1 and loose in 2+ to 1. Now this is broken. If you cry now for heavies (any), you will cry for assault soon when people skill up for adv and proto dropsuits. If you can manage hard time when you are heavy (any), welcome and have fun with us. P.S. And yes KingBabar ;) you can play better. A decent reply!!!! Yes I can always play better, there is always room for improvement. I did get a 13-3 round if I remember correctly last time I faced the Polish wing, so not that bad. It is however very frustrating to face 3 of you at the same time... I guess my question is JB, why use it then? If the only benefit is the HP (Which is quite the big benefit mind you) then why do you use it instead of an AR suit? You could carry a nanohive or a medkit and help your team out better and get more kils. Would your KDR go above the around 7 something you have now when using an assault suit? I'd like to see it. And for the record, I have tried running a fatsuit AR comvbo and I found it to be way too easy, even with the useless tactical AR. If I had OMS or a logi available I'd use a 60 round AR and I honestly think I would dominate the field.... Like you guys do...

trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 164	Posted - 2013.02.20 12:23:00 - [51] - Quote Going to agree with Jack on some points. The fit is very useful, especially to provide heavy sniper an easy branch for when assault is needed. Been playing 50-50 sniper and assault, and even unspecced and pretty bad in cqc I make it work. Head on with another heavies seems to be the hardest fight, as you cannot dodge a forge blast and you soak a ton of HMG rounds due to fat. Shield build + armor build allows nice supply depot juggling, and the shield build with p2w grenades eats other fatties regularly. That said, the regen timers are not too good.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 194	Posted - 2013.02.20 12:29:00 - [52] - Quote For now it is only SP shortage. As I mention before for some reason heavy is dead end now. We stil at begining of our way in the Dust. No one knows where this road follow. I can (I think) do more in future skilling only AR and heavy for now and jump over any nice nerf that CCP make. My target will be adv assault or prot logi for more easy mode ;) BTW: try scout with AR so much fun.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 248	Posted - 2013.02.20 12:46:00 - [53] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: For now it is only SP shortage. As I mention before for some reason heavy is dead end now. We stil at begining of our way in the Dust. No one knows where this road follow. I can (I think) do more in future skilling only AR and heavy for now and jump over any nice nerf that CCP make. My target will be adv assault or prot logi for more easy mode ;) BTW: try scout with AR so much fun. Don't worry Jack, we closed beta players will forever remember you as the guy who could beast with a Heavy/AR combo. YOU WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN! tear
DrSheepbringer3 Darkstar Mercs 11	Posted - 2013.02.20 12:56:00 - [54] - Quote I was having a certain personal vendetta with a fatsuit a while back. The problem got solved when someone drove over him.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:32:00 - [55] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I mean come on, 1000 HP and a Duvolle? How much help do you need? The word "crutch" has been thrown around a lot on these forums... HEAVY with a Duvolle, GEK, Killswitch, HK4M Shotgun, Shotgun, Laser rifle, sniper rifle... Seen it all... Personally, a HEAVY with anything other than HMG or FORGE is gay...


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