DUST Search - Ambush Scout

0 Try Harder wrote:

Beren Hurin wrote:

In other words if you are even moderately dampened you have a much greater area in a person's TACNET where you won't appear unless they are training you with their rifle.

The problem is that most decent players have played other FPS games before. Most FPS games do not stick gigantic red marks over enemies. I like the feature a lot in this game because you can light someone up instead of describing a position, but it shouldn't be relied on for anything else.

You see an enemy or something weird, you shoot at it.

All decent FPS players don't rely on a minimap to always show red dots. Even in games where enemies would show up on maps, there are perks like ghost or things like silencers you can use on your weapons. There are no silencers in Dust, so when you shoot you'll pop up on even a heavy's radar.

So basically, profile dampening is "good" against players who are terrible, and just generally a nice thing to have against players who are not. IMO terrible players are terrible, so there's no need to skill up a skill that only works on them because they suck anyways. I've said it so many times, but I don't see much value in a skill that only gives you an advantage over unskilled players, and is not too helpful against those who have a little skill.

If you don't believe me, here's a couple examples of games that people used to play that didn't have minimaps with radar. (i just googled for screenshots, I have no idea what's on the sites more than the pic I'm linking... lol)

UT99
Quake III
Quake Live

The one game that had radar that I can remember is CS. But even in CS, you'd be the biggest fool if you only relied on radar to see where to shoot enemies. It was a huge thing for friendly fire and positioning. Also, there were silencers, and you could do things like camp and creep around. If a CS player used only his radar instead of his eyes...

And finally, people run around like headless chickens in this game. There's no need to hide yourself from radar, red dots never check it anyways.

I just don't understand why people get surprised at red dots running around corners or attempting a flank or coming at you from behind, especially in modes like ambush where enemies can spawn everywhere. You should definitely use your radar, and keep enemy locations in mind, but you should actively be seeking out the guys who are not appearing on your radar instead of those who are.


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Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.02.19 15:18:00 - [1] - Quote I'm spreading the word that sensor range on scouts is a very underated part of their specialty. I"m guessing that right now, most scouts unmodified can see 60% of what will be in their field of vision, or the V on their TACNET. This is the only part of the radar that your 'dropsuit scanning skills' and modules can 'see'. NO matter how good your skills, you wont see people sneaking behind you or flanking you unless someone else is looking at them. Active scanners will though if people are above their precision strength. What this means is that with perfect skills and max suit and targetting range modules a sensor scout will see about 95 meters. Depending on how good their scan precision is, then, they will be able to see the full 25% of the TACNET map that is in front of them. Your field of vision is 90 degrees or 25% of a circle. If you spin around you will effectively be doing an active scan of the area. As far as how dampeners work. You can 'see' anything that is above your precision strength that is in your range and in your field of vision, then you can also see what others see, then you can also see whatever you are directly looking at. So this means if you are all by yourself with nobody guarding your back, you can be suprised even by a militia heavy with no skills. But it should be likely that if you are sweeping your field of vision, looking for red chevrons, you will see him first before he sees you. Because most suits will only see only what they are directly looking at or up to 15-18m and even then they'll only see profiles above like 40dB a scout with a single dampener cannot be 'seen' behind cover or even in the peripheral edges of a players field of view making it that much easier to sneak up on someone. In other words if you are even moderately dampened you have a much greater area in a person's TACNET where you won't appear unless they are training you with their rifle.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.02.19 17:50:00 - [2] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: In other words if you are even moderately dampened you have a much greater area in a person's TACNET where you won't appear unless they are training you with their rifle. The problem is that most decent players have played other FPS games before. Most FPS games do not stick gigantic red marks over enemies. I like the feature a lot in this game because you can light someone up instead of describing a position, but it shouldn't be relied on for anything else. You see an enemy or something weird, you shoot at it. All decent FPS players don't rely on a minimap to always show red dots. Even in games where enemies would show up on maps, there are perks like ghost or things like silencers you can use on your weapons. There are no silencers in Dust, so when you shoot you'll pop up on even a heavy's radar. So basically, profile dampening is "good" against players who are terrible, and just generally a nice thing to have against players who are not. IMO terrible players are terrible, so there's no need to skill up a skill that only works on them because they suck anyways. I've said it so many times, but I don't see much value in a skill that only gives you an advantage over unskilled players, and is not too helpful against those who have a little skill. If you don't believe me, here's a couple examples of games that people used to play that didn't have minimaps with radar. (i just googled for screenshots, I have no idea what's on the sites more than the pic I'm linking... lol) UT99 Quake III Quake Live The one game that had radar that I can remember is CS. But even in CS, you'd be the biggest fool if you only relied on radar to see where to shoot enemies. It was a huge thing for friendly fire and positioning. Also, there were silencers, and you could do things like camp and creep around. If a CS player used only his radar instead of his eyes... And finally, people run around like headless chickens in this game. There's no need to hide yourself from radar, red dots never check it anyways. I just don't understand why people get surprised at red dots running around corners or attempting a flank or coming at you from behind, especially in modes like ambush where enemies can spawn everywhere. You should definitely use your radar, and keep enemy locations in mind, but you should actively be seeking out the guys who are not appearing on your radar instead of those who are. You are basically making the argument for me for increased scan range. This helps light up red dots in front of you. You dont' have to zoom in as much and you don't have to run from cover to cover since your scanner will pick them up. Make a trash scout with 2 militia scan range modules and you will see what I mean.