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Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 646	Posted - 2013.03.27 14:39:00 - [31] - Quote Also, each swarm charge would now show a sub category of how many missiles are left in a single round
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 515	Posted - 2013.03.27 15:10:00 - [32] - Quote Alex Bradshaw wrote: I say leave swarms as they are. I engaged a tank and a LAV this evening with a swarm. Took me 4 hits to take down the tank, and 1 for the LAV. I then had to go and re-arm. I found it challenging to avoid being shot by infantry and vehicles while doing all this. Weakening swarms would make vehicles over powered. If you are in a vehicle and swarms are an issue, you need to look at -infantry support -situational awareness -vehicle configuration -spend more money -consider retreating Darn tootin'! Swarms are fine. They are supposed to make vehicles go boom. Furthermore, unlike Forge Guns, you cannot shoot infantry with them at all, no matter how good you are. Running about in a Swarm fit is asking for trouble. Then again, running about in a tank is asking me to kill it.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 28	Posted - 2013.03.27 15:17:00 - [33] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Alex Bradshaw wrote: I say leave swarms as they are. I engaged a tank and a LAV this evening with a swarm. Took me 4 hits to take down the tank, and 1 for the LAV. I then had to go and re-arm. I found it challenging to avoid being shot by infantry and vehicles while doing all this. Weakening swarms would make vehicles over powered. If you are in a vehicle and swarms are an issue, you need to look at -infantry support -situational awareness -vehicle configuration -spend more money -consider retreating Darn tootin'! Swarms are fine. They are supposed to make vehicles go boom. Furthermore, unlike Forge Guns, you cannot shoot infantry with them at all, no matter how good you are. Running about in a Swarm fit is asking for trouble. Then again, running about in a tank is asking me to kill it. Damn straight
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 390	Posted - 2013.03.27 15:27:00 - [34] - Quote slypie11 wrote: Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Alex Bradshaw wrote: I say leave swarms as they are. I engaged a tank and a LAV this evening with a swarm. Took me 4 hits to take down the tank, and 1 for the LAV. I then had to go and re-arm. I found it challenging to avoid being shot by infantry and vehicles while doing all this. Weakening swarms would make vehicles over powered. If you are in a vehicle and swarms are an issue, you need to look at -infantry support -situational awareness -vehicle configuration -spend more money -consider retreating Darn tootin'! Swarms are fine. They are supposed to make vehicles go boom. Furthermore, unlike Forge Guns, you cannot shoot infantry with them at all, no matter how good you are. Running about in a Swarm fit is asking for trouble. Then again, running about in a tank is asking me to kill it. Damn straight Just so that we're 100% clear here, in the first few lines of the OP I said this: Baal Omniscient wrote: Apparently some people are so completely convinced that these are broken that they just WILL NOT let it go. I don't agree in the slightest, but ok. I get it.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 34	Posted - 2013.03.27 16:39:00 - [35] - Quote Broken because they can do complete 180 degree turns on the spot, and that just defys absolutly everything, they are smart enough to turn comepletly 180 but not smart enough to change to a slightly higher elevation to fly over small hills and then down to a target???? they make no sence. either they have crazy 180 degree manuverability or they dont.... not both simultaniously please.
Charlotte O'Dell PXRXO HOLDINGS 77	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:31:00 - [36] - Quote Im a tanker and id be happy if they couldnt do 90-¦ turns.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 649	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:41:00 - [37] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Im a tanker and id be happy if they couldnt do 90-¦ turns. Guess what, this thread isn't about you
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 34	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:42:00 - [38] - Quote Why do we need guns to be MORE gimped. Having to steer your missiles is lame. We need more high tech solutions. Self guided missiles are awesome! We need more things to make us feel that this is truly a battle of super advanced cultures. I mean this technology is almost Magic! I remember there was a quote about magic and technology Add bullets that can shoot through walls and around corners, Xray vision, cars that can self drive while we shoot. Automated defenses, Black hole grenades! Tactical nuclear missile launchers! Predator hunter sky drones, a nanite gun that allows someone to hack your brain and start murdering your teammates using your body. Then balance all the AWESOME with powerful defensive abilities. Death should come almost instantly on the battlefield in this super technology age. Defense will never keep up with offensive power, but they should be present The weapons of this age need to be terrifying in the extreme. You need to be AFRAID to leave the MCC, that only the immortal merc would ever dare to step foot out.
Hunter Junko Bojo's School of the Trades 56	Posted - 2013.03.27 22:35:00 - [39] - Quote Make the dropships more tougher to survive, then we can talk Swarm launchers
BOZ MR BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 42	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:02:00 - [40] - Quote Just prevent them do 90 degree turns. Plus add some lock-on time. Hate peek-a-boo swarms that are coming under a damn rock.

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 426	Posted - 2013.03.29 17:41:00 - [41] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Also, each swarm charge would now show a sub category of how many missiles are left in a single round That would be interesting, but would have to be built from scratch expressly for this single weapon since all weapons function on generally the same HUD display setup and function based on the same general ammo use/reload mechanics.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2013.03.29 19:00:00 - [42] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Also, each swarm charge would now show a sub category of how many missiles are left in a single round That would be interesting, but would have to be built from scratch expressly for this single weapon since all weapons function on generally the same HUD display setup and function based on the same general ammo use/reload mechanics. I've got nothing of substance to note, but I will say that I wish I had all the SP back from going L4 in swarms. I think they suck. LAVs are the only thing I can kill with regularity. Dropshits with an afterburner can outrun them. I can never lock on when it's the last blow to a tank until they are behind cover. Nothing makes me rage like swarms vs tanks. I am sitting here at work f'ing off instead of actually working and I'm getting pissed thinking about tanks and my POS swarm launcher (L4 with 3 complex damage modifiers). As far as the dropship deal goes, I don't understand why anyone would fly them. It's as though they are made of paper mache. F Tanks and F Swarms Rant over
loumanchew Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.03.29 20:26:00 - [43] - Quote I think the swarms are fine as is.
ADAPTandKILL ZionTCD Legacy Rising 35	Posted - 2013.03.29 20:57:00 - [44] - Quote loumanchew wrote: I think the swarms are fine as is. They are even a little weak. There are so many tanks running around and you can barely scratch them. Toning down the AV stuff will just make the tanks dominate more. Its not that AV is weak or over powered. You have to pick the right target for the AV you have, so Swarms and AV grenades are for armor vehicles and forge guns and Flux grenades are for shield vehicles. Learn what your weapon is good at killing and switch been them as you need to.
Texs Red SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 14	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:17:00 - [45] - Quote I have no real problems with swarms as they are other than they can do impossible turns. When flying my dropship I will see swarms arcing towards me at say 60 degree angles then suddenly do pinpoint 140 degree turns when I exceed their turn radius, thus short of completely outrunning them they are impossible to avoid.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2211	Posted - 2013.03.30 00:11:00 - [46] - Quote Texs Red wrote: I have no real problems with swarms as they are other than they can do impossible turns. When flying my dropship I will see swarms arcing towards me at say 60 degree angles then suddenly do pinpoint 140 degree turns when I exceed their turn radius, thus short of completely outrunning them they are impossible to avoid. I've seen Swarms miss a Dropship flying overhead and have to turn slowly around to follow and give the Dropship a huge lead before following from a LOOONG distance behind. I've also seen swarms pull sharp 90+ turns in almost identical situations, so I don't know which is meant to happen. It looks more RIGHT when they have a limit to how sharply they turn, though, so I hope that's what's meant to happen and it's going to be fixed. But in saying that, when they're turning slow, I think they could do with being slightly less slow at turning.
BlG MAMA PLAYSTATION4 31	Posted - 2013.03.30 01:57:00 - [47] - Quote Swarm are OK the way they are now .
Rachoi HavoK Core 39	Posted - 2013.03.30 04:40:00 - [48] - Quote i rather like the idea of that, as long as its not infinite flight time like the HL2/Counter Strike Scource rockets, cause those you could do ******** things with those. because i rather like the idea of using a system like those, but it would take a fair bit of fine tuning
Rusty Shallows Creative Killers 28	Posted - 2013.03.30 05:14:00 - [49] - Quote Hunter Junko wrote: Make the dropships more capable of surviving, then we can talk Swarm launchers Yesterday (Friday March 29th) I fired 5 salvos with two complex light weapon damage modifiers on a green dropship in short order. My vantage was from a sniper perk. Said ship lazily took the first three, then started to fly away to his red zone. All hit. Came back less than two minutes later with full armor and most of his shields. Survivability is relative. It's getting easier in this game to tell when someone has the skill points and isk sunk into a vehicle.
TEXA5 HiTM4N Rogue Spades 54	Posted - 2013.03.30 06:51:00 - [50] - Quote just take away the swarms' ability to pull 90 degree turns. problem solved.



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