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KING ZUMA Regime Of Shadow Marines 12	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:54:00 - [1] - Quote I think the reason HMGs are so powerful is that they are so easy to aim and take akmost no skill, its basically point and shoot. In most games with this type of weapon there is two options, BIG rectical and a very small one. I think we should change the rectical to a small one like the laser to make it harder to aim. Thoughts?
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 326	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:56:00 - [2] - Quote KING ZUMA wrote: I think the reason HMGs are so powerful is that they are so easy to aim and take akmost no skill, its basically point and shoot. In most games with this type of weapon there is two options, BIG rectical and a very small one. I think we should change the rectical to a small one like the laser to make it harder to aim. Thoughts? No because if you made the retical small, it would mean the gun is very accurate and precise which it's not. The heavy just has a little to much range on his weapon imo, though I really don't see it being that big of an issue. I agree the HMG takes no skill though, come at me bros.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:59:00 - [3] - Quote No.
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 254	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:00:00 - [4] - Quote Ar is point and shoot too.... All weapons are point and shoot.
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F 107	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:03:00 - [5] - Quote Put on a heavy suit/HMG and go up against a double complex moded GEK assault and then tell me which one is OP. Heavy and HMG are fine, get gud.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:17:00 - [6] - Quote IRuby Heart wrote: I agree the HMG takes no skill though, come at me bros. I doubt any HMG user would argue lmao. But when you do add skill with HMG - tears flow hard.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 117	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:23:00 - [7] - Quote the butthurt is getting strong in here.... although this is only the 3rd 'heavy is OP' thread today NuBs be SLaCKiN
Boomer Dues Mortis D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 40	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:24:00 - [8] - Quote Just another daily hmg is op tear fest by the op. To the guy talking about the range of the hmg, I have sharpshooter 4 I hope I can shoot far. I hate Lasers, Mass Drivers, and shotguns, but they all serve their purpose. A good shotgun guy can kill me very fast but do I think the weapon is OP, no I don't because this game has a rock, paper, scissors effect.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:30:00 - [9] - Quote my thoughts? you gun game scrubs need to practice moar.
KING ZUMA Regime Of Shadow Marines 12	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:34:00 - [10] - Quote lol im not saying this because i get killed by them often, im saying this because i use them and they just rip the souls from peoples bodys....

Reclusiarch Grimaldus D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:39:00 - [11] - Quote Boomer Dues Mortis wrote: Just another daily hmg is op tear fest by the op. To the guy talking about the range of the hmg, I have sharpshooter 4 I hope I can shoot far. I hate Lasers, Mass Drivers, and shotguns, but they all serve their purpose. A good shotgun guy can kill me very fast but do I think the weapon is OP, no I don't because this game has a rock, paper, scissors effect. what he said... and what's wrong with ripping the souls from their bodies???
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:41:00 - [12] - Quote KING ZUMA wrote: lol im not saying this because i get killed by them often, im saying this because i use them and they just rip the souls from peoples bodys.... Did those people charge straight at you? If so, then they didn't deserve their souls. And nobody who has ever been killed because they were out-ranged by an AR would ever claim that HMG's have good range.
Boomer Dues Mortis D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 40	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:43:00 - [13] - Quote KING ZUMA wrote: lol im not saying this because i get killed by them often, im saying this because i use them and they just rip the souls from peoples bodys.... As does mine, but it does it because people are idiots, I have also seen people that are good do the same things with GEK's. I have also seen people that are not as good do bad as a heavy. A good player will always bring out the best in weapons, while a bad player will continue to do bad with everything.
Guildo Crow ZionTCD Legacy Rising 15	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:45:00 - [14] - Quote KING ZUMA wrote: I think the reason HMGs are so powerful is that they are so easy to aim and take akmost no skill, its basically point and shoot. In most games with this type of weapon there is two options, BIG rectical and a very small one. I think we should change the rectical to a small one like the laser to make it harder to aim. Thoughts? What's a "r e c t i c a l" ? Sounds dirty.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 117	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:48:00 - [15] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: KING ZUMA wrote: I think the reason HMGs are so powerful is that they are so easy to aim and take akmost no skill, its basically point and shoot. In most games with this type of weapon there is two options, BIG rectical and a very small one. I think we should change the rectical to a small one like the laser to make it harder to aim. Thoughts? What's a "r e c t i c a l" ? Sounds dirty. sounds like something that doctors recommend when you turn 40... now 'reticule' might be what he was meaning.....might
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:54:00 - [16] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: Guildo Crow wrote: KING ZUMA wrote: I think the reason HMGs are so powerful is that they are so easy to aim and take akmost no skill, its basically point and shoot. In most games with this type of weapon there is two options, BIG rectical and a very small one. I think we should change the rectical to a small one like the laser to make it harder to aim. Thoughts? What's a "r e c t i c a l" ? Sounds dirty. sounds like something that doctors recommend when you turn 40... now 'reticule' might be what he was meaning.....might lol I laughed. HMG is only beast to those unfamiliar with it. I'd imagine it would be like the new generation of gamers coming across a shot gun user for the first time and getting OHK. Eventually you learn how to avoid that from happening so often.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:18:00 - [17] - Quote People say the HMG is easy to use, but when you guys go against other heavies you get torn to shreds.
Reclusiarch Grimaldus D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:21:00 - [18] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: People say the HMG is easy to use, but when you guys go against other heavies you get torn to shreds. I've had my fair share of heavy on heavy violence... usually the victor.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:23:00 - [19] - Quote people ***** about the same thing in TF2, so they buffed them, I hope CCP does the same. also I hope people keep using heavy suits, going 15/4 by killing nothing but heavies with remotes mines is too easy, and fun <3
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:24:00 - [20] - Quote Reclusiarch Grimaldus wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: People say the HMG is easy to use, but when you guys go against other heavies you get torn to shreds. I've had my fair share of heavy on heavy violence... usually the victor. Heavy on heavy still results in a dead heavy.

crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:28:00 - [21] - Quote Boomer Dues Mortis wrote: Just another daily hmg is op tear fest by the op. To the guy talking about the range of the hmg, I have sharpshooter 4 I hope I can shoot far. I hate Lasers, Mass Drivers, and shotguns, but they all serve their purpose. A good shotgun guy can kill me very fast but do I think the weapon is OP, no I don't because this game has a rock, paper, scissors effect. Good on you, heavy sharpshooter is a big investment compared to light weapon sharp shooter. It should pay off. Also people saying OP this and OP that are going to be in for a surprize when people have sharpshooter maxxed to 10 lol.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 263	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:32:00 - [22] - Quote The only problem with the hmg and every other weapon except the mass driver because its iron sight is as useless as stephen hawking in a boxing match... is head glitching. Once this gets fixed a lot of the current problems should vanish. No more eyeball death beams and people will have to use cover as cover not a way to shoot out of your face.
Coleman Gray Coalition Of Goverments 47	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:36:00 - [23] - Quote I play a hmg heavy with max sensitivity, other classes still move faster than I can Aim, so no aiming isn't easy if people strafe
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:57:00 - [24] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: HMG is only beast to those unfamiliar with it. I'd imagine it would be like the new generation of gamers coming across a shot gun user for the first time and getting OHK. Eventually you learn how to avoid that from happening so often. I went up against an entire squad of STBs (Calamity, Kaios(sp?), and I forgot the other two) all shotgunning.....
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:13:00 - [25] - Quote Funny you mention HMG reticule... you know the shotgun reticule is the same right? And that's also point and shoot. People running out of ideas to nerf HMG's now? Now they want to nerf the reticule? LOOOOOL Range nerf is fine, heat build up nerf is fine. Any nerf regarding the already gimped suit is a joke, and in fact, the suit could use a buff. You people QQ over a heavy doing what it does best, CQC. What do you expect a heavy to do in CQC situations? Shoot spitballs at you from his HMG?
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:20:00 - [26] - Quote Considering that they do die, I have no problem with them. They are not OP at all. If the HMG was nerfed then the Heavy would be underpowered. If people cry for an HMG nerf this much, maybe CCP should buff the HMG just to make them cry more. lol We still have many changes coming. Ignore these petty issues.
Slaytanical DUST University Ivy League 6	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:40:00 - [27] - Quote Just my two cents..... say i am qq'ing what ever you wish it's fine theese hundreds of heavy smg guys running around are crazy, it has to be totally faceroll only reason i can think why there's so damnned many of the you see SEVERAL of them in skirmishes, ambush what ever and i don't care how many skill points it takes yadda yadda those things are over powered, and the range on them is way unreal i see it every day i play 10 people run in front of one of theese guys.... creams every one of them most times before they get 3 or 4 shots off. i dunno lot about the heavies not claming that i do but this i know that freaking gun is overpowered.... maybe not in power terms but as far as range they need to beat that thing silly with the nerf bat .... seriously
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:45:00 - [28] - Quote Slaytanical wrote: Just my two cents..... say i am qq'ing what ever you wish it's fine theese hundreds of heavy smg guys running around are crazy, it has to be totally faceroll only reason i can think why there's so damnned many of the you see SEVERAL of them in skirmishes, ambush what ever and i don't care how many skill points it takes yadda yadda those things are over powered, and the range on them is way unreal i see it every day i play 10 people run in front of one of theese guys.... creams every one of them most times before they get 3 or 4 shots off. i dunno lot about the heavies not claming that i do but this i know that freaking gun is overpowered.... maybe not in power terms but as far as range they need to beat that thing silly with the nerf bat .... seriously OP because of the amount of noobs trying it out...that's some fine logic sir. In that case nerf Assault class and their AR because most battles I see more Assault players than anything else. If you come into contact with a good heavy, and you're not a good player, I'll tell you what you need to do... Put your head between your legs, and kiss your arse goodbye. You're suppose to die with a bloody HMG shooting in a CQC, unless you're a good player and know how to handle yourself.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:54:00 - [29] - Quote Slaytanical wrote: Just my two cents..... say i am qq'ing what ever you wish it's fine theese hundreds of heavy smg guys running around are crazy, it has to be totally faceroll only reason i can think why there's so damnned many of the you see SEVERAL of them in skirmishes, ambush what ever and i don't care how many skill points it takes yadda yadda those things are over powered, and the range on them is way unreal i see it every day i play 10 people run in front of one of theese guys.... creams every one of them most times before they get 3 or 4 shots off. i dunno lot about the heavies not claming that i do but this i know that freaking gun is overpowered.... maybe not in power terms but as far as range they need to beat that thing silly with the nerf bat .... seriously No idea what you just said, but I can already tell you that you're wrong.
Slaytanical DUST University Ivy League 6	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:57:00 - [30] - Quote What i just said was....... nerf theese heavies..... i understand they puree anythin in cqc. the gun is overpowered.... and the range is unreal. needs to be nerfed retooled something. thats what i just said. did you understand this? or do i need to break out the fingerpaints and construction paper?

TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:01:00 - [31] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: people ***** about the same thing in TF2, so they buffed them, I hope CCP does the same. also I hope people keep using heavy suits, going 15/4 by killing nothing but heavies with remotes mines is too easy, and fun <3 bro same here.. i dont use an AR and i eat 9 out of these 10 heavies- the most rewarding kill for me in the game and i will not have my glory stolen by these nerf callers
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:04:00 - [32] - Quote Slaytanical wrote: do i need to break out the fingerpaints and construction paper? Some diagrams would nice, will there be milk and cookies?
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:13:00 - [33] - Quote Heavy/HMG class is fine. You either have to have multiple people attacking him from different angles, and/or keep your distance. The HMG range MIGHT be 10% too far, but overall, its not that bad. They are deadly in CQC maps, but suffer in the big open maps because of their slow speed. Even if they "death taxi", basic AV grenades are easy to get, and make quick work of the taxi. The problem is that too many people think they should be able to go toe-to-toe with a heavy.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 164	Posted - 2013.02.15 03:41:00 - [34] - Quote I can only imagine all the tears that are shed when I take down someone, with my assault HMG with one level in HW-Sharpshooter, because they didn't think I could touch them. What's getting people to shed sweet carebear tears is the sharpshooter skill and assault variant. Does anyone besides me actually read the description on the weapons? If you did, you might learn what CCP is intending. Quote: The Heavy Machine Gun (HMG) is a heavy weapon which primarily is used for anti-infantry purposes. A multi-barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon. Eschewing the advantages of a lighter frame in favor of stopping power, the exponentially increased heat and vibration produced by this Boundless Creation developed weapon makes it almost unbearable to fire. Yet despite this fact, its above average hit ratio and extreme rate of fire has earned it the nickname GÇ£Death's Engine.GÇ¥ Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time; rounds are expelled the instant the trigger is pressed. This comes at the cost of initially reduced accuracy as the counter-rotating drives slowly align. Once fully aligned, however, the HMG produces a pinpoint stream of gunfire with unmatched killing potential. Those of you who haven't used an HMG obviously miss another fact we HMG users deal with whenever we run extended sustained fire. Barrel climb. It gets worse the longer the trigger is held and makes the aiming more and more erratic. As for range... It's fine.
Big miku Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 91	Posted - 2013.02.15 03:49:00 - [35] - Quote I say buff the HMG, All HMGs should do 50 damage at least and have zero over heat, they should also have auto aim and increase movement speed by 600% and leech HP off of things they shoot. The HGM should also have infinite Ammo and grant God Mode to the user when you reload. They need to do my taxes and fix my sink as well. I think this buff will fix all the issues people are having with the HMG.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.15 03:51:00 - [36] - Quote Big miku wrote: I say buff the HMG, All HMGs should do 50 damage at least and have zero over heat, they should also have auto aim and increase movement speed by 600% and leech HP off of things they shoot. The HGM should also have infinite Ammo and grant God Mode to the user when you reload. They need to do my taxes and fix my sink as well. I think this buff will fix all the issues people are having with the HMG. You forgot to buff the range bro 7/10.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.02.15 03:52:00 - [37] - Quote Big miku wrote: I say buff the HMG, All HMGs should do 50 damage at least and have zero over heat, they should also have auto aim and increase movement speed by 600% and leech HP off of things they shoot. The HGM should also have infinite Ammo and grant God Mode to the user when you reload. They need to do my taxes and fix my sink as well. I think this buff will fix all the issues people are having with the HMG. Eh... I'd be okay with it. I think you should add the functionality to fix banana splits though. That might make it even with tanks.
Big miku Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 91	Posted - 2013.02.15 03:52:00 - [38] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: You forgot to buff the range bro 7/10. What? No way, that'd make it OP as hell.
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.15 04:09:00 - [39] - Quote KING ZUMA wrote: Thoughts? Please don't post anymore.
usrevenge2 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2013.02.15 04:13:00 - [40] - Quote HMG needs more spread and a spool up time.

Barnabas Wrex Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 147	Posted - 2013.02.15 04:20:00 - [41] - Quote How about when a heavy tries to trudge his way 100 feet towards you, you shoot him. Or when you're 2 feet in front if the heavy you run.... Then shoot him. It's not like shotgun scouts; when you get into close range of a good shotgun scout you're **ed.... You can't run because they're faster than you, and one shot kills you. A heavy HMG on the other hand... RUN MOTHER**ER!
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.02.15 04:24:00 - [42] - Quote How ignorant can people be the HMG is fine, if (and thats a big IF) anything needs to change its the Sharpshooter skill and NOT the HMG itself, Sharpshooter currently gives 5% increase to range every lvl, now bump that down to 3% and it would help to "Nerf" the HMG without making it un-usable. Oh and if your intellegent you can easily take out HMGer, I went Heavy Vs Heavy and won with a SMG Vs HMG, LEARN TO PLAY!
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.15 04:25:00 - [43] - Quote usrevenge2 wrote: HMG needs more spread and a spool up time. You didn't read did you? "Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time" It shall NEVER have a spool up time, ever. Unless CCP change their minds lol
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.02.15 04:36:00 - [44] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: usrevenge2 wrote: HMG needs more spread and a spool up time. You didn't read did you? "Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time" It shall NEVER have a spool up time, ever. Unless CCP change their minds lol lol even REAL HMG have no spull up time and are FAR more accurate then the ones in DUST.
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2013.02.15 04:38:00 - [45] - Quote usrevenge2 wrote: HMG needs more spread and a spool up time. So they will be even easy to kill? Hmm, how about NO! They are easy enough to kill as it is.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.15 04:38:00 - [46] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: usrevenge2 wrote: HMG needs more spread and a spool up time. You didn't read did you? "Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time" It shall NEVER have a spool up time, ever. Unless CCP change their minds lol lol even REAL HMG have no spull up time and are FAR more accurate then the ones in DUST. Real HMG's have the range of a sniper rifle. If it were like that in Dust, then we'd be swimming in QQ lol
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.02.15 04:45:00 - [47] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: usrevenge2 wrote: HMG needs more spread and a spool up time. You didn't read did you? "Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time" It shall NEVER have a spool up time, ever. Unless CCP change their minds lol lol even REAL HMG have no spull up time and are FAR more accurate then the ones in DUST. Real HMG's have the range of a sniper rifle. If it were like that in Dust, then we'd be swimming in QQ lol MMM, Yes most of these people dont realize the Range and Accuracy we have with todays weapons let alone what hteyd have in the far future. Hell a .22 wil fly as far as a mile, and its not Unheard of for people to hit targets at 500yds with M4s either.
DigiOps DUST University Ivy League 85	Posted - 2013.02.15 05:01:00 - [48] - Quote My biggest problem with heavies is their use of LAVs. They suddenly become much easier to kill. Point is, where there's a weapon or tactic that's deemed OP (or cheap, to be described more accurately) by the more outspoken minority, there's a way to put it down. I understand old habits die hard, but if the way you handle those situations doesn't work, learn a new way to tackle it. Just my two cents... For what its worth.


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