KalOfTheRathi
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Posted - 2013.02.14 11:23:00 -
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First response is a clarification. I have been killed in HAVs with proximity mines. Twice. And I haven't tanked all that much.
They are very difficult to see and, so far, nothing makes them appear on the HUD. One can see them as I have done recently on a few occasions but one I missed and my driver took a sudden right hand turn, I asked what was happening and he saw little rectangles in the road so he didn't drive over the proximity mines. I was front Gunner yet didn't see them. Something more to learn.
I have little doubt that RE would take them out as well. It might just be that the bottom of the tank is not well protected or it is just a Dev decision that they are not telling neither explosive stats so they can simply say, "They kill HAVs". Of course, timing the RE and the HAV would be difficult at best. Which is why my explosive Fit has RE and Prox equipped.
From a lore standpoint the Turret Installations, HAVs, DS and LAVs have much less CPU/PG than one would expect. It might be that a lot of it was used up with the built in Super Hive to keep the insatiable guns filled.  |
KalOfTheRathi
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:54:00 -
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Upon reviewing the Video mentioned there is some confusion I suspect from what appears to be happening versus what is actually happening.
First the NewB Turret Gunner (the commentator) fires a lot. At nothing. Mostly when he is out of range and cannot do damage. He over heats his blaster and that is the actual limiting solution for all non-Misslie Turrets*.
The pip on NewB Gunner's sight is rarely Orange. That is like any other scoped weapon where white indicates a target that cannot be hit or hit effectively from the current range.
The Large Blaster fires like a Vet yet even he over heats his from time to time. The Large Blaster has a longer range as well as better splash damage yet it will rarely kill any uninjured infantry with a single round nor even a single burst. Previously injured? That sucker is gonna die. Large Rail Gun, well I am pretty good with shooting infantry but a miss is very costly.
Checking the Skills for the various Turrets and the Turret Upgrade Modules reveal that a significant number deal with cooling. That is for a reason. The Blaster and Rail Gun Turrets over heat a lot. The Rail Guns can only fire five rounds before over heat causes a forced cool down. Blasters can fire longer but do significantly less damage. Their time out is still quite lengthy.
Several conclusions might be made based on the numbers at the end of the video. Driver 44/0 and Gunner 7/0 which obviously means the HAV nor their Drop Suits were not lost. But note how little actually was accomplished by the Gunner. They get a lot of Assists and when the Squad Leader supports the tank or is the tank driver it can all add up. However, the most important function for the Gunner was not shown, which is watching out for the safety of the HAV. Scanning 360, keeping infantry off their backsides, announcing incoming swarms and so forth.
The other item I noticed from the game play and verified on the results table. The opposition was almost all from NPC Corps and none accumulated more than 800 WP. Popping a full HAV is worth 300 WP by itself if done by a single person, a rarity, and 450 total when done by two. Vets would have taken them out or at least had a much more concentrated effort at doing it. A single actual Squad would have made the match significantly more dangerous.
A Squad of four only need to average 625 WP to get an Orbital Strike and that Shield HAV would never have survived one.
Now, back to the OP:
Adding Ammo requirements to vehicles might help balance the game play. Squads will balance it faster with no change to the code. That was the actual problem in the video. I never spawn at a Letter when a HAV is next to it. At least of third of the Kills did just that. Nothing but experience will break that habit.
Personally, the two biggest solutions to game play balance issues in DUST are tied to the two biggest problems. Squads and Squads with mics solve 90% of what currently ails DUST game play. Yet, I have no solution for it.
* Missile Turrets are limited by damage, number of missiles and firing times. |