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JP the Merc Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:31:00 - [1] - Quote We are immortal mercenary. Government and civilians are afraid of us and despise us. However, the empires need us to fight for them and even if they do hate us plus they cannot do anything because they can never get rid of us. So my understanding is that mercenaries might not be respected among the society of New Eden, yet we are the most powerful, most superior if you will. Then, why do we fight? Just for the money and resources? Why do we need money and resources if we are immortal? Can someone help me to understand this please?
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:34:00 - [2] - Quote JP the Merc wrote: We are immortal mercenary. Government and civilians are afraid of us and despise us. However, the empires need us to fight for them and even if they do hate us plus they cannot do anything because they can never get rid of us. So my understanding is that mercenaries might not be respected among the society of New Eden, yet we are the most powerful, most superior if you will. Then, why do we fight? Just for the money and resources? Why do we need money and resources if we are immortal? Can someone help me to understand this please? Were Immortal, so gotta have something to do for all eternity
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:34:00 - [3] - Quote We're only as immortal as the availability of our next clone. Our suits make us more effective than your usual soldier, but we are still human underneath. Aren't our respective governments pulling the strings on our clone tech? Gallente, for example. - If you haven't seen it yet, this video pretty much sums it up for you. Way of the Mercenary
JP the Merc Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:36:00 - [4] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: We're only as immortal as the availability of our next clone. Our suits make us more effective than your usual soldier, but we are still human underneath. Aren't our respective governments pulling the strings on our clone tech? Gallente, for example. Don't quiet catch what you mean..
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:46:00 - [5] - Quote We aren't truly immortal is what I was saying. Our governments still hold the reigns on us. For now at least. They don't hate us so long as we are useful to them. However, if an uprising were to occur at some point that would change very quickly. To answer the OP, you fight for whatever and whoever you wish. You go where the ISK is. Like the video says, we may be called back to fight a war on our home soil at some point.
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 145	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:47:00 - [6] - Quote JP the Merc wrote: Kovak Therim wrote: We're only as immortal as the availability of our next clone. Our suits make us more effective than your usual soldier, but we are still human underneath. Aren't our respective governments pulling the strings on our clone tech? Gallente, for example. Don't quiet catch what you mean.. He means that the factions developed this tech that makes us immortal so they can wage wars on the ground for less cost of life than normal. However they do not like us for the simple fact that we do what we want not what they order us to do. edit: nvm he explained it himself loo and I was wrong in my theory of what he ment
Professormohawk Stasis Military Support 22	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:51:00 - [7] - Quote JP the Merc wrote: Kovak Therim wrote: We're only as immortal as the availability of our next clone. Our suits make us more effective than your usual soldier, but we are still human underneath. Aren't our respective governments pulling the strings on our clone tech? Gallente, for example. Don't quiet catch what you mean.. if we dont have a clone to jump to, we are dead to the world. we are not invulnerable. we can be dead dead.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:51:00 - [8] - Quote That's becuase there is no game yet. Why oh why did ccp label this open beta :(
JP the Merc Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:52:00 - [9] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: We aren't truly immortal is what I was saying. Our governments still hold the reigns on us. For now at least. They don't hate us so long as we are useful to them. However, if an uprising were to occur at some point that would change very quickly. To answer the OP, you fight for whatever and whoever you wish. You go where the ISK is. Like the video says, we may be called back to fight a war on our home soil at some point. But we do that fight for out factions though, we are supposedly to fight for whoever pays the most. Thus, it's most likely that we are going against out factions.
JP the Merc Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:54:00 - [10] - Quote Professormohawk wrote: JP the Merc wrote: Kovak Therim wrote: We're only as immortal as the availability of our next clone. Our suits make us more effective than your usual soldier, but we are still human underneath. Aren't our respective governments pulling the strings on our clone tech? Gallente, for example. Don't quiet catch what you mean.. if we dont have a clone to jump to, we are dead to the world. we are not invulnerable. we can be dead dead. Does that mean out faction is allowing for us to live, thus allowing for us to actually fight them?

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.11 04:54:00 - [11] - Quote Essentially we're cost effective. A single Gallente Black Eagle Operative, costs 1.4 million isk to procure and train. 20 years of growing, and then an additional 10 years of intense special operations training, then their equipment costs, my lordly the equipment costs are sometimes more expensive than some battleships. Now I just shot the poor sob... he's dead, 1.4 million isk. gone just like that. Not only that, I also shot down the drop-ship carrying his entire team of 30 guys. Now then, take use cloners. Who cares the plasma rifle has lethal amounts of radiation? that mass driver recoil was designed for shock absorbency of a vehicle mount? Or the electical flow of the railgun is enough to fry a normal person? Oh and the shield systems is so totally unhealthy for the body, and that drop uplink, you'd be lucky to survive by end of the day from the warp bubble. The whole reason why our tech is cheaper, more effective, and far deadlier. Because operator safety is not much of a concern. Clones are disposable. Also our training does not die with us, every time we die we just come back a wee bit more pissed off at the guy who killed us. We're allowed to make mistakes. we're allowed to learn from the fatal ones, we're not allowed to die however.
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:03:00 - [12] - Quote We will also amass a huge amount of combat knowledge. Our governments may not like us, but they can't wage war without us. I wonder if there will be a price to be paid for taking a contract against our people in future expansions?
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:12:00 - [13] - Quote JP the Merc wrote: But we do that fight for out factions though, we are supposedly to fight for whoever pays the most. Thus, it's most likely that we are going against out factions. There is a real role-playing (I know, bad word) element to Dust, or there will be. You can choose to not take a contract that pits you against your own if you don't want to. I wouldn't take a contract that pits me against the Gallente, for example. I might choose to accept a contract that has me fighting a war for someone just because the other side are the enemies of the Gallente. If my government were to attempt to betray me and my cloned brothers and sisters in some way, then that stance might change. That is up to CCP and where they want to take the New Eden storyline.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:14:00 - [14] - Quote JP the Merc wrote: We are immortal mercenary. Government and civilians are afraid of us and despise us. However, the empires need us to fight for them and even if they do hate us plus they cannot do anything because they can never get rid of us. So my understanding is that mercenaries might not be respected among the society of New Eden, yet we are the most powerful, most superior if you will. Then, why do we fight? Just for the money and resources? Why do we need money and resources if we are immortal? Can someone help me to understand this please? Guess what happens when you don't pay the guy who supplies your clones? You die! Forever! We're immortal as long as we have the ISK that says so.
JP the Merc Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:22:00 - [15] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: JP the Merc wrote: But we do that fight for out factions though, we are supposedly to fight for whoever pays the most. Thus, it's most likely that we are going against out factions. There is a real role-playing (I know, bad word) element to Dust, or there will be. You can choose to not take a contract that pits you against your own if you don't want to. I wouldn't take a contract that pits me against the Gallente, for example. I might choose to accept a contract that has me fighting a war for someone just because the other side are the enemies of the Gallente. If my government were to attempt to betray me and my cloned brothers and sisters in some way, then that stance might change. That is up to CCP and where they want to take the New Eden storyline. But then how are you different from Gallente Federation's military soldiers? What makes you "mercenary"?
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:32:00 - [16] - Quote JP the Merc wrote: We are immortal mercenary. Government and civilians are afraid of us and despise us. However, the empires need us to fight for them and even if they do hate us plus they cannot do anything because they can never get rid of us. So my understanding is that mercenaries might not be respected among the society of New Eden, yet we are the most powerful, most superior if you will. Then, why do we fight? Just for the money and resources? Why do we need money and resources if we are immortal? Can someone help me to understand this please? we fight to deplete the other corps funds and equipment, the biological flesh and blood components are not as important. in EVE wars are fought for this same reason to deplete the other corps economic machines..
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:32:00 - [17] - Quote JP the Merc wrote: But then how are you different from Gallente Federation's military soldiers? What makes you "mercenary"? I'll gladly fight for money, just not against my own people. If someone who is Gallente is on the other side, however, I will have to end them. They will have made their choice. Nothing I can do about that.
JP the Merc Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:36:00 - [18] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: JP the Merc wrote: But then how are you different from Gallente Federation's military soldiers? What makes you "mercenary"? I'll gladly fight for money, just not against my own people. If someone who is Gallente is on the other side, however, I will have to end them. They will have made their choice. Nothing I can do about that. Then why would the governments hate us? Or do they hate people who have turned against their government?
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:45:00 - [19] - Quote JP the Merc wrote: We are immortal mercenary. Government and civilians are afraid of us and despise us. However, the empires need us to fight for them and even if they do hate us plus they cannot do anything because they can never get rid of us. So my understanding is that mercenaries might not be respected among the society of New Eden, yet we are the most powerful, most superior if you will. Then, why do we fight? Just for the money and resources? Why do we need money and resources if we are immortal? Can someone help me to understand this please? I think the real question is, why do YOU fight? What do YOU want to make of this world you will be reborn into countless times? And there is one other group out there that already has more power, money, and resources. And they have just as much immortality. And they are already much more feared, despised, hated and needed than we simple foot soldiers can yet imagine. They are the capsuleers. We are already caught up in their wars whether we realize it or not. Whether we want to take part in them or not. Some capsuleers wish we had never seen the light of immortality and would exterminate us if they could. Some have welcomed us with open arms but have their own ideas about we can best serve their cause. They already see themselves as the masters of New Eden. So now the question becomes, what are YOU going to do about it?
usrevenge2 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2013.02.11 06:24:00 - [20] - Quote honestly? dust mercs are the same as capsuleers except we don't have a pilots liscense (plex) and don't have the ability to train the same skills. we also learn faster, I guess it's from the super implant apparently we all have in every one of our clones. Atm in dust the public matches are more of a gladiatorial arena in which the galaxy tunes in to watch people get slaughtered.

Ubuu de Reide SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 31	Posted - 2013.02.11 07:18:00 - [21] - Quote Dont want Mercs around - stop making clones (or one corp runs out of the resources required to continually make clones). Or just imprison clones for eternity (they never die - they never get reincarnated)
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.11 13:32:00 - [22] - Quote as for the reasons why government procure and go though the entire hassle of generating pod pilots out of the 1 in a billion that are genetically qualified. There is usually a 10-25% retention rate. Also overall capsuleers loyalist or not typically increase economic growth and oftenly remote pirate problems freeing up the navies to shoot each other. Current as it stands our planetary isk is not valued the same as the interstellar one yet. Hence the no currency trades yet, eventually there will be a value added, and conversion rates, then eventually they will be balanced out if they figure out the magic balance numbers. Overall expect some equipment to become much cheaper, other equipment to cost much more (you think prototype suits are cheap now? imagine them at 3 million a pop + modules)
Big Popa Smurff Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 104	Posted - 2013.02.11 13:40:00 - [23] - Quote Whats the deal with Clone's SOONtm, will it be like eve where will have buy our own clone's? if they run out will we loose the character? dont play eve so sorry if i got that wrong..
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2013.02.11 14:46:00 - [24] - Quote The merc immortality is based on the brain implant that allows their mind to be transferred to another clone upon death. Without another clone available, death would be permanent. So if the immortal merc people were to just go start farming space corn on Mars or whatever, and a hippo were to sit on them, they'd die for good, because Mars is notorious for its lack of immortal clone infrastructure. I mean, duh and/or hello, right? Big Popa Smurff wrote: Whats the deal with Clone's SOONtm, will it be like eve where will have buy our own clone's? if they run out will we loose the character? dont play eve so sorry if i got that wrong.. In EVE your clone needs to be updated to preserve SP. So you need to buy X type of clone, for Y amount of ISK, in order to be able to retain Z amount of SP. However, in EVE you die much less compared to Dust. How clones will work in Dust is anyone's guess, but it won't work the same as EVE does. It may not even be a feature they carry over at all.
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 60	Posted - 2013.02.11 15:44:00 - [25] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: We're only as immortal as the availability of our next clone. Our suits make us more effective than your usual soldier, but we are still human underneath. Aren't our respective governments pulling the strings on our clone tech? Gallente, for example. - If you haven't seen it yet, this video pretty much sums it up for you. Way of the Mercenary This is more relevant... Take over the world!!!
Lunamaria Hawkeye SyNergy Gaming 92	Posted - 2013.02.11 16:25:00 - [26] - Quote People are overthinking this. The objective of the game is to shoot people in the face. Always has been, always will be.
the BAD FurrY Algintal Core Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.02.11 16:49:00 - [27] - Quote JP the Merc wrote: We are immortal mercenary. Government and civilians are afraid of us and despise us. However, the empires need us to fight for them and even if they do hate us plus they cannot do anything because they can never get rid of us. So my understanding is that mercenaries might not be respected among the society of New Eden, yet we are the most powerful, most superior if you will. Then, why do we fight? Just for the money and resources? Why do we need money and resources if we are immortal? Can someone help me to understand this please? GET OUT OF MY EVE NOW !
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 50	Posted - 2013.02.11 17:16:00 - [28] - Quote If I understand correctly the basis for various factions perpetuating clone tech was basically the technological arms race ("if they have immortal clone soldiers we must too"). As for why we do what we do, as many have pointed out our immortality is conditional. Partly because we have needs like new clones, guns, etc and partly because without playing a part in maintaining the balance of power the usefulness of potentially very dangerous soldiers becomes questionable. In many ways the new technology is a way of moving to a post scarcity style of warfare. The loss of life and the need for skills are no longer a problem. Understandably this is a fairly threatening idea to most people. Besides the potential for unending warfare and the danger to "normal people", the greater efficiency represented by the new technology threatens to create a warfare monopoly where all skills are possessed by group who literally kill off their competition. Faced by potential annihilation by one of our corps what recourse would a mortal have besides hiring equivalent forces? What kind of fees could such a force levy for their support? So our power is limited and despite our immortality we have to work to pay rent. Our rooms may be small but they are on a space station.


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