DUST Search - What Will Be The Future of Pay-To-Win?

Stevez WingYip wrote:

Dust right now is pay to win. I have tested this with several guns of the same skill level, and the real money options are just flt out better. It also means you do not need to spend isk on weapons and can spend it on something else instead. The pay options should NEVER have a stat boost over others. This will never work in the long run, and I am for the very first time in history, disappointed with CCP with this current plan of marketing that they have because it is not what I expected from them as my favorite company.

Stevez WingYip wrote:

The Jesus Christ wrote:

I can see CCP adding in a system that allows you to change ISK into AUR or atleast buy AUR items for ISK once the secondary market comes into place (Which I hope is soon, got these Officer Weapons that I'll never use lying about)

So I dont think this game will be Pay-2-Win, in its current state it may seem like that, but once they open up the marketplace for players that might change.

I really hope you can see CCP adding a system to purchase AUR items with ISK because that's what the market is. That's what it's always been. That has always been the plan as CCP has explicitly stated several times. It is coming. They are actually working on it right now. 100% guarantee that this will happen as it is a major, major component of the game since it was allow EVE players to purchase AUR to buy 'killswitches' to sell to DUST players for ISK. That's pretty much the only way the game will work since it is free to play. Literally, they have to do it or the game will probably fail.

Yes, this is what I hope for.


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Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2013.02.11 22:54:00 - [1] - Quote You will be able to buy AUR items with ISK. So there's no pay 2 win, it will never happen. But because you can sell AUR items for ISK that means you can buy ISK with cash. This is where all the revenue will come from. Nobody buys a PLEX with cash to extend their EVE subscription, they buy it to sell for ISK. 560,000,000 ISK when I looked yesterday. So everyone just calm down, there will always be a market for AUR items because there will always be new players, new characters and skills that people just don't want to train. But let me say it again...you will be able to buy AUR items with ISK in the game. So no need to worry, CCP isn't planning on screwing up any time soon.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 464	Posted - 2013.04.18 16:58:00 - [2] - Quote Holy crap I am so glad you brought this back. The forums have been boring as hell lately and I really, really love these threads. Ok, let's do this: Stevez WingYip wrote: Dust right now is pay to win. I have tested this with several guns of the same skill level, and the real money options are just flt out better. It also means you do not need to spend isk on weapons and can spend it on something else instead. The pay options should NEVER have a stat boost over others. This will never work in the long run, and I am for the very first time in history, disappointed with CCP with this current plan of marketing that they have because it is not what I expected from them as my favorite company. Aside from the heavy and sidearm damage mods, shield regulator and I believe the 'Tsunami' Mass Driver since these items are errors, typos, oversights, whatever...what are you talking about? What test did you perform? What AUR item has better stats than the ISK version? Yes, AUR saves you money. Whatever, you can still make money at the game you just don't get to run advanced gear all the time and have to work a little harder than AUR users. Suck it up, they paid for the game and you didn't. Drinks were free in First Class, Mercedes will hook you up with a temporary car if yours is in the shop, and court-side seats cost more, what's your point? Stevez WingYip wrote: The fact that I even had to say that, and there is an argument that this game may not be pay to win is ******. Yes, it is ridiculous that people are still hung up on this P2W crap. Stevez WingYip wrote: The Jesus Christ wrote:** I can see CCP adding in a system that allows you to change ISK into AUR or atleast buy AUR items for ISK once the secondary market comes into place (Which I hope is soon, got these Officer Weapons that I'll never use lying about) So I dont think this game will be Pay-2-Win, in its current state it may seem like that, but once they open up the marketplace for players that might change. I really hope you can see CCP adding a system to purchase AUR items with ISK because that's what the market is. That's what it's always been. That has always been the plan as CCP has explicitly stated several times. It is coming. They are actually working on it right now. 100% guarantee that this will happen as it is a major, major component of the game since it was allow EVE players to purchase AUR to buy 'killswitches' to sell to DUST players for ISK. That's pretty much the only way the game will work since it is free to play. Literally, they have to do it or the game will probably fail. Yes, this is what I hope for. Good, because that is exactly what CCP is doing. That's always been there plan for as long as I can remember. They've also been doing pretty much the exact same thing in EVE for the last 5 years with PLEX. Well there you go. I still want to know what exactly makes it P2W cause I'm honestly just not seeing it.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 466	Posted - 2013.04.18 19:14:00 - [3] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Getting sick and tired of asking for pay to win evidence. I am on my phone now, but surely the topics on supremacy goods is relevant. As long as those items are on the market the game is P2W. Not even finding it funny that people pretend like these items don't exist. I think the place where this falls apart is it seems there are two camps: A:Players that seem to want something done to AUR items until the market to level the playing field. B:Players that are fine to wait until the market shows up. (me) When I say "it's not P2W" I'm saying these things: 1. Market is coming, market will fix it. No additional actions warranted or prudent. 2. AUR items that currently have advantage over ISK items are mistakes and will be removed. Obviously the new damage mod and other shenanigans sort of negate my second supposition I still stand by my first statement.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 467	Posted - 2013.04.18 19:40:00 - [4] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If they make your paintjobs cost AUR per suit, then there will be a steady stream of income as long as people have a desire to keep a specific colour scheme. If they keep bringing new players into the game, or keep encouraging long-time players to make new alts, then there will be more and more characters showing up, many of whom will purchase Aurum for Boosters and/or BPOs. I think it may be hard to bring new players into the game that is purely PVP and where lifetime SP decides who wins and who loses. With the diminishing returns on skills it won't take long (relativity speaking) for a new player to be able to hold on their own against mostly anyone. It's only at the top level where those level higher skills make the huge differences. Just like EVE really.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 468	Posted - 2013.04.18 21:47:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I think that more people would pay for cosmetic things then for things that improve your effectiveness on the field. Such, as decals, different color suits, different lights from your vizor, weapon camo, merc quarter customization. Personally i will not buy any aurum unless I want to buy something that makes my merc look better or my quarters look better. Just me though, I don't mind grinding up skills... I would pay AUR to put a decal on my forge gun. Named it Betty Boom, already got the design made up in photoshop. lol. Maken Tosch wrote: Overall, historically CCP has fixed or taken out certain items that are considered pay to win because that is what CCP is trying to avoid. There at a few still available in the market, but they are few in comparison to the large number of ISK variants and will probably experience a rebalance of their own one day. I would have agreed with you like 2 hours ago until it came to my attention they've added a new damage mod for light weapons with the same stats as the one's for heavy and sidearm which until now I had assumed were just oversights. Might be another mistake though, wait to see how it plays out. I'm sharpening my pitchfork but I haven't lit the torches just yet.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 468	Posted - 2013.04.19 00:53:00 - [6] - Quote Stevez WingYip wrote: "Suck it up, they paid for the game and you didn't." Read that and stopped reading and laughed. Glad I could entertain but I hope you also read the surrounding words.