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Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:28:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:No pay to win here.
Are you sure? I have heard there is going to be a lot of competitions and that everyone is gearing up for the first annual mercenary armor painting competition and beauty pageant. And it seems like the only way to get the supplies you need are by spending Aurum.
And if that is not Pay to Win I don't know what is.
Now I have another question:
What will be the future of ignorant forum posts?
Posts that repeat total BS, throw out unfounded claims through implication and offer nothing of real substance? Will they continue to appear here no matter how many times we refute what basically amounts to a smear campaign, that may or may not be perpetrated by corporate moles, though of course I have no proof of anything of the sort and make no such claim about any specific individual... Any thoughts? |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:57:00 -
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SlR KNlGHT wrote:I still hold to boosters being the primary money maker will taet heavily. The influx of players is largest a launch and decreases significantly within that first year, if not less but this obviously deends on dusts legs.
I see gimiky things like colours and decals make money but I reiterateehancements will be king longrun.
As this game stands now, this game is pay to win. Ive capped since launch and my booster buddies have inexcess of a + 1 million sp lead on me. If you dont think 1/3more sp would make a significant advantage you are odd.
The fact that you buy tangible statistical advantages whatever size, make this a p2w.
What form enhancers will take is what i would like to know more about.
You are wrong. Every time we are in the war barge lobby a voice says that you can use Aurum to, "Do more faster." That is about all you can pay to do.
But I have never, not even one time in all the months I have been on the forum seen an argument that made any sense that showed that Dust was Pay to win. There have been a lot of really great discussions and debates. There have been posts that pointed to some problematic paid Items. Paid weapons and modules that give players obvious advantages (and I would argue that even those were not pay to win) are taken off the market.
You don't win a prize if you have more SP. You don't gain an absolute statistical advantage. Let me repeat that. You cannot buy a statistical advantage over another player. I just don't see how you people that claim that the game is pay to win just can't get it into your heads that the skill progression has a fixed limit. And past that point there is no benefit to having more and more SP. Once you have all the core skills that benefit your merc no matter what weapon they fight with or vehicle they use the only thing you can get will be different flavors of gear.
If you use boosters you just get to the same place as everyone else a little faster. I just typed this in another thread but you are not buying advantage. You are just buying more immediate gratification. Or maybe saving time for something else like, I don't know, spending time with your kids? Going to work?
That is it.
I see more and more videos on Youtube every week of decent FPS players going 9 and 1 in the starter gear. Tell me what they payed and I will do it. I have ever only done that well in a match in open beta while driving a tank. A militia tank. That only cost ISK.
The players that have been playing the game the longest will have the most obvious advantage over everyone else whether they paid money or not. You already have a huge advantage over a huge number of players and are already weeks ahead hundreds of thousands of player. Please tell me that you know of a game where a player that has been playing the game longer than another player has no advantage over the new guy. There is no such game. There never will be. And that is all you get by paying for stuff in DUST. A time advantage. And that is part of every game no matter what.
See also that whole "all items will be available for ISK on the player run market so you will be able to buy boosters for ISK too" counter argument as well. Granted, that is not in game yet so it might be a little difficult for some people to grasp. But just because it is not right in front of your race, right there in the beta this very instant doesn't mean that it is not real or won't happen. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:02:00 -
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SlR KNlGHT wrote:
It will coincide with future of trolling.
I am mocking you right to your face. Not trolling this thread. I am frustrated and tired of this ridiculous fixation omn Pay to Win. Sometimes the only way to deal with crap is to make fun of it.
Also I offered a counter argument. If you want to respond to that as well, please do so. |
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