DUST Search - The bigger picture.

Aighun wrote:

Dusty Mokong wrote:

More meta game into DUST would be awesome. BUT this being a F2P game, I don't see CCP going into that route.

However, if Dust were to offer a monthly subscription to willing players/corps, I can see this happening for those willing to pay a monthly. These features will affect Eve(P2P) too much for it to be available in F2P. And CCP has more incentive for making this happen since it's more money for them not to mention people will be more wary to abuse it as they have something to lose IRL(money).

I think you really underestimate the amount of cash the F2P model brings in. And it goes against everything I have ever heard or read about this game to suggest that the only parts of the game I am really looking forward to will somehow be pay to play.

I am playing this game because CCP has a reputation for setting up some limits and then letting all players do what ever the hell they want within those limits. CCP doesn't make the meta game. We do.

Slicing the game up into lame F2P mode and super cool P2P premium gold mode would be... bad. Would completely f' up the whole massively multiplayer sandbox thing I am waiting for.

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Rebecca Quentin Baltar Research 9	Posted - 2013.02.10 11:47:00 - [1] - Quote So it seems (from the vast majority of threads here anyway) to me, that perhaps a lot of people are getting so caught up in the game as it stands now in beta, that they are perhaps missing the "bigger picture" of how Dust514 will become once it goes "gold". So, to this end, I thought it might be nice to discuss the "meta" game and to encourage a bit more speculation on what features the game will eventually include. I'm not talking about nitty-gritty balancing issues or a desired new skillbook or a new gun. I'm talking about the "B-I-G" picture stuff. For example, I'd love to see Dust players being able to play as trader/industrialist mercs, production mercs, exploration mercs who terraform planets etc. That sort of stuff, the sort of stuff EVE players can enjoy. I'm about to re-activate my EVE Online account after a three-year hiatus and the reason is because I really enjoy making LOADS of ISK as a trader. It would be really nice though, if I had this ability in Dust as well. So, what would you all like to see in the bigger-picture meta game? To say it again, I'm not talking about nerfing X or whinging about SP allowance.
Drommy Hood Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 242	Posted - 2013.02.10 11:50:00 - [2] - Quote It would be awesome if we could actually own factories, ect. And rather than rent from the stations, you can rent from dusties. That way in the meta game when were fighting over our own space, it's not just as mercs but as home makers. Fighting for our land, not some big eve alliances
Rasputin La'Gar Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2013.02.10 11:54:00 - [3] - Quote I'm slightly afraid there wont be a bigger picture. It just doesn't seem to be a type of game played outside of the battlefield. Which sucks. Making it slightly open world would make this game
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 334	Posted - 2013.02.10 12:06:00 - [4] - Quote well, DUST being, by definition, a FPS, I would think anything you do will involve shooting/fighting. that said, I'd like, once we are able to own districts, and when said district is not being fought on, to be able to "sit" in our MQ/station/etc. and micro-manage some form of Planetary Interaction (PI). Say your corp/alliance owns an entire planet. any mercs in said corp/alli can place mining installations, factories, or even possibly a private residence on that planet, adding to that planets revenue, as well as giving you something to manage besides shootin faces. also, +1 TC for thinking OTB.
charlesnette dalari Creative Killers 159	Posted - 2013.02.10 12:08:00 - [5] - Quote i think we all will be pleasantly surprised with the next build and these type features from what i hear in IRC if all goes well we will be able to OWN districts which will make a huge difference in the meta game. plus this first feature opens up all those other great additions.
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.02.10 12:16:00 - [6] - Quote I've started thinking about pvp matches going on right now as sort of the New Eden Olympics. Every ones just playing and training until they open the game up. I've read on another pst that CCP has only shown us about 20% of what the actual gameplay is going to be like. I hope that's true. Now, on to topic. I'd like to see actual planetary exploration, looking for salvage, etc. I have this image in my head for Planetary Conquest. Corp heads, after deciding which planet they want to take over, would draw up the battle field lines around the target outpost/factory/whatnot (that'd be the redline on the battlefield), then they'd start their invasion. Players who just happen to be on the ground at the time are now, unexpectadly, caught on in the middle of the battlefield. They could then have some options. 1-Sign up with a side and start fighting. 2-Choose neither side, but stay in they area and shoot whoever they come across. Downside to that is that they'd appear as red dots to both sides, and when they died they have to respawn somewhere outside of the battlefield. 3-Get the hell out of dodge fast. Just make a beeline for the redzone and hope that nobody puts holes in your back before you can get there.
Rasputin La'Gar Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2013.02.10 12:24:00 - [7] - Quote I didn't know about owning districts. That actually opens up a lot Orin the Freak wrote: Say your corp/alliance owns an entire planet. any mercs in said corp/alli can place mining installations, factories, or even possibly a private residence on that planet, adding to that planets revenue, as well as giving you something to manage besides shootin faces. The possibility to have player corps stationed on Dust-player districts. It has to be approved the by CEO, who's corp gets a portion (.5 million isk) of the funds it takes to open/move the corp to that district as well as something like ~5-10% of corp battle earnings
Rain0001 Team Evil 0	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:18:00 - [8] - Quote deathmatch burns me out fairly quickly, and that's not Dust's fault, but the problem is, I like to spend HOURS playing video games. I'm playing Mass Effect at the moment, specifically planetary exploration in the mako. Occasionally, I find a facility I can dismount at, and enter... I would love to see something like that for Dust, similar to the facility shown in the Dust intro, where the consciousness transfer implant was found. "This one looks intact. let's bring it back... " I know it's being talked about, and it was shown in one of the european EVE gatherings... I guess all I want to say is, the sooner it shows up, the sooner I will be playing Dust for hours on end.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:33:00 - [9] - Quote Rebecca Quentin wrote: Things i agree with, except for the occupation thing, EVE would lose business if you could do everything in dust So it was you who liked this post: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=541852#post541852
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.02.11 05:47:00 - [10] - Quote Rebecca Quentin wrote: So it seems (from the vast majority of threads here anyway) to me, that perhaps a lot of people are getting so caught up in the game as it stands now in beta, that they are perhaps missing the "bigger picture" of how Dust514 will become once it goes "gold". So, to this end, I thought it might be nice to discuss the "meta" game and to encourage a bit more speculation on what features the game will eventually include. I'm not talking about nitty-gritty balancing issues or a desired new skillbook or a new gun. I'm talking about the "B-I-G" picture stuff. For example, I'd love to see Dust players being able to play as trader/industrialist mercs, production mercs, exploration mercs who terraform planets etc. That sort of stuff, the sort of stuff EVE players can enjoy. I'm about to re-activate my EVE Online account after a three-year hiatus and the reason is because I really enjoy making LOADS of ISK as a trader. It would be really nice though, if I had this ability in Dust as well. So, what would you all like to see in the bigger-picture meta game? To say it again, I'm not talking about nerfing X or whinging about SP allowance. That's never going to happen. This is not EVE. Dust mercs are built to fight, we aren't built to mine, travel, or trade. We have drones that do that. We will b able to take worlds. worlds will give us cash. Some worlds will also generate resources that will probably be automatically added to our assets. At this point, we can post them on the market for a price. Or give them to an EVE player to produce gear for us. I do not see it expanding any further then that. Why? because the game would turn ******** if it did.

Robert Brady III L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 4	Posted - 2013.02.11 06:01:00 - [11] - Quote I would just like to be able to buy a bigger bed for my apartment, or at least be able to sit down on my couch. I mean, I have millions of ISK and I sleep like an impoverished college student.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 441	Posted - 2013.02.11 06:06:00 - [12] - Quote Rebecca Quentin wrote: So it seems (from the vast majority of threads here anyway) to me, that perhaps a lot of people are getting so caught up in the game as it stands now in beta, that they are perhaps missing the "bigger picture" of how Dust514 will become once it goes "gold". So, to this end, I thought it might be nice to discuss the "meta" game and to encourage a bit more speculation on what features the game will eventually include. I'm not talking about nitty-gritty balancing issues or a desired new skillbook or a new gun. I'm talking about the "B-I-G" picture stuff. For example, I'd love to see Dust players being able to play as trader/industrialist mercs, production mercs, exploration mercs who terraform planets etc. That sort of stuff, the sort of stuff EVE players can enjoy. I'm about to re-activate my EVE Online account after a three-year hiatus and the reason is because I really enjoy making LOADS of ISK as a trader. It would be really nice though, if I had this ability in Dust as well. So, what would you all like to see in the bigger-picture meta game? To say it again, I'm not talking about nerfing X or whinging about SP allowance. More SP and more Nerfing. I'd like to see interaction between dust and eve be on a very big level and each directly impact the other in a very important way. For example without your alliance having mercs to claim the planets you can't claim sov of that system. Things I'm sure will happen and will make this game pretty awesome. Don't forget about the Nerf everything and sp thing though. I find this way more important atm. Dream house can't be a dream without foundation
Dusty Mokong ZionTCD Legacy Rising 61	Posted - 2013.02.11 06:07:00 - [13] - Quote More meta game into DUST would be awesome. BUT this being a F2P game, I don't see CCP going into that route. However, if Dust were to offer a monthly subscription to willing players/corps, I can see this happening for those willing to pay a monthly. These features will affect Eve(P2P) too much for it to be available in F2P. And CCP has more incentive for making this happen since it's more money for them not to mention people will be more wary to abuse it as they have something to lose IRL(money). EDIT: I don't mean to do away with F2P, I just meant that CCP may want to add more features for a fee. This way it would only be available to those who are willing and understand the game and make these Industry features less accessible to the less mature player base who just want to shoot things.
usrevenge2 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2013.02.11 06:14:00 - [14] - Quote I'm most excited about the co-op and single player content. to go into an area and kill rougue drones appeals to me. I just hope they have it give lots of salvage along with isk and sp. I don't think dust will ever by the open world game people expect it to be but it's already fun, when we get a bunch more maps and the co-op and single player stuff it will be in much better shape right now we have so few maps and only 2 real game modes it's easy to get burnt out.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2013.02.11 06:14:00 - [15] - Quote Dusty Mokong wrote: More meta game into DUST would be awesome. BUT this being a F2P game, I don't see CCP going into that route. However, if Dust were to offer a monthly subscription to willing players/corps, I can see this happening for those willing to pay a monthly. These features will affect Eve(P2P) too much for it to be available in F2P. And CCP has more incentive for making this happen since it's more money for them not to mention people will be more wary to abuse it as they have something to lose IRL(money). I think you really underestimate the amount of cash the F2P model brings in. And it goes against everything I have ever heard or read about this game to suggest that the only parts of the game I am really looking forward to will somehow be pay to play. I am playing this game because CCP has a reputation for setting up some limits and then letting all players do what ever the hell they want within those limits. CCP doesn't make the meta game. We do. Slicing the game up into lame F2P mode and super cool P2P premium gold mode would be... bad. Would completely f' up the whole massively multiplayer sandbox thing I am waiting for.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 441	Posted - 2013.02.11 06:15:00 - [16] - Quote Dusty Mokong wrote: More meta game into DUST would be awesome. BUT this being a F2P game, I don't see CCP going into that route. However, if Dust were to offer a monthly subscription to willing players/corps, I can see this happening for those willing to pay a monthly. These features will affect Eve(P2P) too much for it to be available in F2P. And CCP has more incentive for making this happen since it's more money for them not to mention people will be more wary to abuse it as they have something to lose IRL(money). Well on this note I was thinking the other day. I know, I know, brain hurts. How many percentage wise of say 1 mill players of dust will get a merc pack each month for $20 or AUR? Now eve has around 360k subs active at $14.95 per month. If CCP played their cards right and I'm sure they will, dust could become just as profitable as eve or more since its opening a door to a different player base with even more players then the eve MMO RPG player base. You also have the free to play and an integration with eve online which is more likely to get you more subs on eve via people playing dust and learning more about eve and its universe. You also for the free to play are letting everyone play your game and realize if they enjoy it they could get further ahead with things such as the merc pack and future packs to come. I wouldn't say dust would be in anyway a small profit for CCP.
Dusty Mokong ZionTCD Legacy Rising 61	Posted - 2013.02.11 06:22:00 - [17] - Quote Aighun wrote: Dusty Mokong wrote: More meta game into DUST would be awesome. BUT this being a F2P game, I don't see CCP going into that route. However, if Dust were to offer a monthly subscription to willing players/corps, I can see this happening for those willing to pay a monthly. These features will affect Eve(P2P) too much for it to be available in F2P. And CCP has more incentive for making this happen since it's more money for them not to mention people will be more wary to abuse it as they have something to lose IRL(money). I think you really underestimate the amount of cash the F2P model brings in. And it goes against everything I have ever heard or read about this game to suggest that the only parts of the game I am really looking forward to will somehow be pay to play. I am playing this game because CCP has a reputation for setting up some limits and then letting all players do what ever the hell they want within those limits. CCP doesn't make the meta game. We do. Slicing the game up into lame F2P mode and super cool P2P premium gold mode would be... bad. Would completely f' up the whole massively multiplayer sandbox thing I am waiting for. I just think that maybe this way it would only be available to those who are willing and understand the game and make these Industry features less accessible to the less mature player base who just want to shoot things. EDIT: On that note, Aurum should already be an available mechanism for this.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2013.02.11 06:29:00 - [18] - Quote and some of us have bought several already and waiting for new ones to buy more
Vance Alken Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 94	Posted - 2013.02.11 07:21:00 - [19] - Quote Mercs getting involved in PI would be really cool, be it taking a chunk of land and actually doing PI (in a reverse of Eve players contracting Dust players to fight, by contracting Eve players to move equipment on-planet), fighting over installations (Eve contracts and free choice but that route requires funding the MCC and clone count yourself) or doing PvE Exploration missions to boost certain factors. In the far flung future I like to imagine Carriers loaded with Mercs equipping a special boarding drone with supplies and boarding a Titan(/PoS) with it and doing damage from the inside, making modules more inefficient, etc. Shoot down a drone in Eve, destroy what it carried, less fighting material on-board the Titan! Of course, the Titan/PoS can hold fighting material to defend itself as well, and more boarding drones can reinforce the appropriate faction in the fight if need be, and, of course, if your ** is on the Titan when it goes boom, your ** goes boom (unless it salvages) with it.
SERPENT-Adamapple Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.02.11 07:41:00 - [20] - Quote A console in your quarters where you can play a little eve mini-game just to get players who have never played eve online before interested in it.



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