DUST Search - i made damage calculator with excel

Altina McAlterson wrote:

Tiel Syysch wrote:

Nod Keras wrote:

Tiel Syysch wrote:

100% sure your math is wrong on these calculations, by the way.

where? plz tell me.

Pretty much every instance that uses more than a single skill or damage mod.

We know that damage mod bonuses are multiplied together due to the fitting screen display and their currently broken stacking penalties, so 2x 10% mods = 1.1*1.1 = 1.21, 3x = 1.1*1.1*1.1 = 1.331 etc. I'm of the understanding that skill bonuses will also multiply this way (one skill being treated as a single entity and then multiplied with other bonuses, not like weaponry 3 = 1.05*1.05*1.05, but that it'd be [1.05+1.05+1.05]*otherbonuses).

You just have all bonuses being added into one sum that is then multiplied by the base damage, when the bonuses instead stack.

Stacking penalty works on damage mods. The fitting screen is broken and displaying an incorrect value.

Skill levels are not compounded. The bonuses from all relevant skills are summed up individually and compounded together before being applied to the base. Weaponry V and AR Proficiency III would apply a modifier of 1.1 x 1.9 = 1.99.

Then you multiply the bonus from each mod with the stacking penalty and apply that product to the skill-modified value.

EDIT: Bendtner92 was kind enough to point out an excessive amount of stupid in my original post. Edited to remove and correct said stupidity.

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Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.08 13:54:00 - [1] - Quote Input your skill and using modifiers. Then it calculate your single damage and dps. Use this link don't need download. Damage calculator How to use this UPDATE : Officer gear has added. And i change url so you have to enter link again. Update Exile and Recruit Assault Rifle. i don't think they use this.. anyway i added Nova knives. and soon i will make turret damage calculator
Deadeyes Anterie Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION 269	Posted - 2013.02.08 14:03:00 - [2] - Quote Started using the Codewish today, and yes it tends to really melt people. Went from like 15-5 as my match avg to about 20-2. So a significant improvement. I'm playing more carefully and still getting more kills. I would say the gun is pay 2 win mostly because it takes the speed limiter off the scope. So you can aim it like a normal AR while scoped in. This means you can track people at any speed and any range while scoped dumping out 200-300 dmg a second. (realistically you need to give the gun a little break for recoil) so the 600dmg only works point blank.
achiever Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.02.08 15:05:00 - [3] - Quote nice just need too add officer weapons i know you can find most of the stats on the forums
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 326	Posted - 2013.02.08 16:57:00 - [4] - Quote Great tool, if this is accurate then my previous conceptions about the Duvolle are now void. Thank you very much.
MR ExPresident ZionTCD Legacy Rising 64	Posted - 2013.02.08 17:00:00 - [5] - Quote Dude this is fantastic! Thanks for making it and sharing it!
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 175	Posted - 2013.02.08 17:04:00 - [6] - Quote I'd love to see an android app for this. Thanks btw.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 263	Posted - 2013.02.08 17:04:00 - [7] - Quote All hail Nod master of the spread sheet!
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2013.02.08 18:24:00 - [8] - Quote Bonus: use google fusion tables to show which guns are OP.
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.08 22:30:00 - [9] - Quote achiever wrote: nice just need too add officer weapons i know you can find most of the stats on the forums I can't find that stats.. If someone write here(officer, exile, recruit or anything what i didn't added) i will add that. If got something problem or idea,tell me. i will fix.
psyanyde CrimeWave Syndicate 12	Posted - 2013.02.08 22:53:00 - [10] - Quote Officer weapons & stats.

General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 205	Posted - 2013.02.08 23:05:00 - [11] - Quote Nod Keras wrote: Input your skill and using modifiers. Then it calculate your single damage and dps. If use this link don't need download. Damage calculator How to use this awesome, CCP needs to sticky this. can you update it with the HMG so people can finally see how UP it really is already? EDIT: did not see the tabs at the bottom, my bad
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.02.08 23:11:00 - [12] - Quote All of the likes....take them all. I can finally see how much my MH-82 is doing (I don't math well). :D
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.08 23:12:00 - [13] - Quote psyanyde wrote: Officer weapons & stats. Thx a lot. i'm in progress now.
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.08 23:29:00 - [14] - Quote UPDATE : Officer gear has added
Booby Tuesdays THE DOLLARS 13	Posted - 2013.02.08 23:57:00 - [15] - Quote This is awesome. Heart you.
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.09 01:37:00 - [16] - Quote Update Exile and Recruit Assault Rifle.
Etero Narciss Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 112	Posted - 2013.02.09 02:11:00 - [17] - Quote Nicely done!
lDocHollidayl Imperfects Negative-Feedback 171	Posted - 2013.02.10 01:16:00 - [18] - Quote Great tool. May all who post for a nerf first see and read this.
Ankoku Daishogun Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.02.10 12:11:00 - [19] - Quote bump
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.10 17:32:00 - [20] - Quote i don't think they use this.. anyway i added Nova knives. and soon i will make turret damage calculator

Kwik Draw Traitors Function 4	Posted - 2013.02.10 23:37:00 - [21] - Quote this is really cool thanks a lot!
ZiwZih Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 54	Posted - 2013.02.11 00:23:00 - [22] - Quote Thanks mate, great tool!
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.13 18:41:00 - [23] - Quote Bumping this +1
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2013.02.13 18:55:00 - [24] - Quote 100% sure your math is wrong on these calculations, by the way.
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.13 19:16:00 - [25] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: 100% sure your math is wrong on these calculations, by the way. where? plz tell me.
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2013.02.13 19:25:00 - [26] - Quote Nod Keras wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: 100% sure your math is wrong on these calculations, by the way. where? plz tell me. Pretty much every instance that uses more than a single skill or damage mod. We know that damage mod bonuses are multiplied together due to the fitting screen display and their currently broken stacking penalties, so 2x 10% mods = 1.11.1 = 1.21, 3x = 1.11.11.1 = 1.331 etc. I'm of the understanding that skill bonuses will also multiply this way (one skill being treated as a single entity and then multiplied with other bonuses, not like weaponry 3 = 1.051.051.05, but that it'd be [1.05+1.05+1.05]otherbonuses). You just have all bonuses being added into one sum that is then multiplied by the base damage, when the bonuses instead stack.
Arron Rift Commando Perkone Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.02.13 19:29:00 - [27] - Quote Nice! Could you make one for hmgs too? That's my favorite gun :D
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.13 19:38:00 - [28] - Quote Arron Rift wrote: Nice! Could you make one for hmgs too? That's my favorite gun :D There is look at the tabs at the bottom.
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2013.02.13 20:09:00 - [29] - Quote i also think only one person can use this at a time. i was just looking at it and then all of a sudden numbers started changing.... so i changed some numbers too and the other person rage quit lmao
Dust Hime The Southern Legion 1	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:24:00 - [30] - Quote sorry, maybe i'm bad but i check many many times and assault rifle operation gave 5% kick reduction not damage am i bad? edit realized some ppl are probably bad and changed the fields. can't you fix those to be uneditable. edit2: playing around with the numbers no matter what skills or complex mods equip, the duvolle is consistantly 10.04315417810906% better than the militia AR. that's good enough for you guys? if the numbers are correct, imo it's not really worth using the higher tier ARs(for CPU cost if not ISK!, how much does a duvolle cost? maybe a whole complex fitted dropsuit equivalent in isk!

Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:35:00 - [31] - Quote Dust Hime wrote: sorry, maybe i'm bad but i check many many times and assault rifle operation gave 5% kick reduction not damage am i bad? edit realized some ppl are probably bad and changed the fields. can't you fix those to be uneditable. nice catch but how did you not notice it gives you 0% bonus? lol 5x0=0 still haha that option to input makes no difference edit: lmao i'm really having fun changing the numbers people are inputing people rage quit from spreadsheets!
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:36:00 - [32] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Nod Keras wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: 100% sure your math is wrong on these calculations, by the way. where? plz tell me. Pretty much every instance that uses more than a single skill or damage mod. We know that damage mod bonuses are multiplied together due to the fitting screen display and their currently broken stacking penalties, so 2x 10% mods = 1.11.1 = 1.21, 3x = 1.11.11.1 = 1.331 etc. I'm of the understanding that skill bonuses will also multiply this way (one skill being treated as a single entity and then multiplied with other bonuses, not like weaponry 3 = 1.051.051.05, but that it'd be [1.05+1.05+1.05]otherbonuses). You just have all bonuses being added into one sum that is then multiplied by the base damage, when the bonuses instead stack. What? In game steak like '1.1*1.1 = 1.21'? I tested in game, charge sniper rifle with 2 complex mods(Weaponry 5) and result is 347. and calculate your way 348.46. that is over the real damage. my calculater is 345.8. we both got problem. i thought round off each total bouns of skill and mods before but not sure. so i hold off that. but your calculation is over the real damage. In my record, damage to target 100%. Then why that damage is decrease? Thanks to your opinion. If you know about this, plz tell me.
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:45:00 - [33] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: i also think only one person can use this at a time. i was just looking at it and then all of a sudden numbers started changing.... so i changed some numbers too and the other person rage quit lmao yes that's my bad but i don't have ability of programming and make in website. only way is download that file or someone make that. I'm sorry to cumbersome
Dust Hime The Southern Legion 1	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:46:00 - [34] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: Dust Hime wrote: sorry, maybe i'm bad but i check many many times and assault rifle operation gave 5% kick reduction not damage am i bad? edit realized some ppl are probably bad and changed the fields. can't you fix those to be uneditable. nice catch but how did you not notice it gives you 0% bonus? lol 5x0=0 still haha that option to input makes no difference edit: lmao i'm really having fun changing the numbers people are inputing people rage quit from spreadsheets! i was the one who changed it to 0 :)
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:48:00 - [35] - Quote Dust Hime wrote: i was the one who changed it to 0 :) i keep jumping in every so often and do it myself lmao np OP, not mad at you, you're doing a great job. i'm trolling your spreadsheet though haha lulz
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:48:00 - [36] - Quote Dust Hime wrote: sorry, maybe i'm bad but i check many many times and assault rifle operation gave 5% kick reduction not damage am i bad? edit realized some ppl are probably bad and changed the fields. can't you fix those to be uneditable. edit2: playing around with the numbers no matter what skills or complex mods equip, the duvolle is consistantly 10.04315417810906% better than the militia AR. that's good enough for you guys? if the numbers are correct, imo it's not really worth using the higher tier ARs(for CPU cost if not ISK!, how much does a duvolle cost? maybe a whole complex fitted dropsuit equivalent in isk! I'm not good at English! Plz tell me where is uneditable
Dust Hime The Southern Legion 1	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:51:00 - [37] - Quote Nod Keras wrote: Dust Hime wrote: sorry, maybe i'm bad but i check many many times and assault rifle operation gave 5% kick reduction not damage am i bad? edit realized some ppl are probably bad and changed the fields. can't you fix those to be uneditable. edit2: playing around with the numbers no matter what skills or complex mods equip, the duvolle is consistantly 10.04315417810906% better than the militia AR. that's good enough for you guys? if the numbers are correct, imo it's not really worth using the higher tier ARs(for CPU cost if not ISK!, how much does a duvolle cost? maybe a whole complex fitted dropsuit equivalent in isk! I'm not good at English! Plz tell me where is uneditable Assault rifle operation 0%5 it was 5 before i changed it to 0 giving extremely lol numbers :p. What I meant was changing it so people can't **** with it again
Nod Keras CrimeWave Syndicate 58	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:51:00 - [38] - Quote Dust Hime wrote: Ima Leet wrote: Dust Hime wrote: sorry, maybe i'm bad but i check many many times and assault rifle operation gave 5% kick reduction not damage am i bad? edit realized some ppl are probably bad and changed the fields. can't you fix those to be uneditable. nice catch but how did you not notice it gives you 0% bonus? lol 5x0=0 still haha that option to input makes no difference edit: lmao i'm really having fun changing the numbers people are inputing people rage quit from spreadsheets! i was the one who changed it to 0 :) i think someone change that. my original sheet is 0. Thanks to fix that.
Sgt Kirk ZionTCD Legacy Rising 349	Posted - 2013.02.13 22:57:00 - [39] - Quote Very good job my friend.
Ankoku Daishogun Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.04.21 04:33:00 - [40] - Quote Bump

Solomon Malcolm BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 18	Posted - 2013.04.21 04:44:00 - [41] - Quote Ahh, i knew the Dmca forge took around the 3000 damage area. i use it sometimes with forge proficiency and a damage mod, so it is correct. I Just needed the exact numbers.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 184	Posted - 2013.04.21 05:55:00 - [42] - Quote 1+
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 477	Posted - 2013.04.21 06:24:00 - [43] - Quote What is "True Damage"? Where are you getting the in game damage info from?
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2806	Posted - 2013.04.21 06:27:00 - [44] - Quote Nod Keras wrote: i don't think they use this.. anyway i added Nova knives. and soon i will make turret damage calculator <3
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 477	Posted - 2013.04.21 08:58:00 - [45] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Nod Keras wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: 100% sure your math is wrong on these calculations, by the way. where? plz tell me. Pretty much every instance that uses more than a single skill or damage mod. We know that damage mod bonuses are multiplied together due to the fitting screen display and their currently broken stacking penalties, so 2x 10% mods = 1.11.1 = 1.21, 3x = 1.11.11.1 = 1.331 etc. I'm of the understanding that skill bonuses will also multiply this way (one skill being treated as a single entity and then multiplied with other bonuses, not like weaponry 3 = 1.051.051.05, but that it'd be [1.05+1.05+1.05]otherbonuses). You just have all bonuses being added into one sum that is then multiplied by the base damage, when the bonuses instead stack. Stacking penalty works on damage mods. The fitting screen is broken and displaying an incorrect value. Skills are not compounded. The bonuses from all relevant skills are summed and applied to the base value. Weaponry V and AR Proficiency III would apply a modifier of 1.19 for example. Then you multiply the bonus from each mod with stacking penalty and apply that product to the skill-modified value.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 490	Posted - 2013.04.21 09:03:00 - [46] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Skills are not compounded. The bonuses from all relevant skills are summed and applied to the base value. Weaponry V and AR Proficiency III would apply a modifier of 1.19 for example. I'm pretty sure that would be 1.1 * 1.09 = 1.199 and not 1.1 + 1.09 = 1.19. Though, I haven't tested it. Have you or anyone else?
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 477	Posted - 2013.04.21 13:14:00 - [47] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Skills are not compounded. The bonuses from all relevant skills are summed and applied to the base value. Weaponry V and AR Proficiency III would apply a modifier of 1.19 for example. I'm pretty sure that would be 1.1 * 1.09 = 1.199 and not 1.1 + 1.09 = 1.19. Though, I haven't tested it. Have you or anyone else? There's no way to know for sure at the moment I don't believe. Another player who I can't remember and I looked at everything we could think of but were unable to find any displayed value that was affected by more than one skill. All the rest of the numbers added up so in the end we decided to just assume it worked the same way as EVE because there's nothing to indicate it doesn't. I think the real question though is why did I take the time and effort to work out the math and confirm that's the way it works and then proceed to take the time and effort to post the opposite. I'm going to edit that post before it causes any confusion.
hydraSlav's Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 89	Posted - 2013.04.21 16:06:00 - [48] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: [quote=Bendtner92] but were unable to find any displayed value that was affected by more than one skill. Stamina is displayed on the fitting screen and is effected by both Endurance and Vigor skills. Note: be careful when you do tests with Stamina (and a lot of other attributes), make sure you take the values from the fitting screen (rounded to 2 decimal places), not from "show info" on the dropsuit, which is rounded to only 1 decimal place and produces incorrect maths results. I've done extensive testing for my fitting tool, and can confirm what you are saying is true: - Individual skill levels are additive - Multiple skills are compounded - Modules are compounded together with skills, however there is stacking penalty on modules's bonuses - When considering stacking penalty, modules are arranged from highest bonus (no penalty) to lowest bonus (highest penalty)
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 254	Posted - 2013.04.21 16:49:00 - [49] - Quote Thanks for the work. Looking forward to the day we have tools like this for every aspect of DUST. =D
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 701	Posted - 2013.04.21 17:00:00 - [50] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Nod Keras wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: 100% sure your math is wrong on these calculations, by the way. where? plz tell me. Pretty much every instance that uses more than a single skill or damage mod. We know that damage mod bonuses are multiplied together due to the fitting screen display and their currently broken stacking penalties, so 2x 10% mods = 1.11.1 = 1.21, 3x = 1.11.11.1 = 1.331 etc. I'm of the understanding that skill bonuses will also multiply this way (one skill being treated as a single entity and then multiplied with other bonuses, not like weaponry 3 = 1.051.051.05, but that it'd be [1.05+1.05+1.05]otherbonuses). You just have all bonuses being added into one sum that is then multiplied by the base damage, when the bonuses instead stack. Stacking penalty works on damage mods. The fitting screen is broken and displaying an incorrect value. Skill levels are not compounded. The bonuses from all relevant skills are summed up individually and compounded together before being applied to the base. Weaponry V and AR Proficiency III would apply a modifier of 1.1 x 1.9 = 1.99. Then you multiply the bonus from each mod with the stacking penalty and apply that product to the skill-modified value. EDIT: Bendtner92 was kind enough to point out an excessive amount of stupid in my original post. Edited to remove and correct said stupidity. That changes absolutely nothing about what my post said. I haven't looked at the damage calculator since however long it's been from when I made that post, but before it was calculating as base[(bonus1)+(bonus2)+(bonus3)] rather than basebonus1bonus2bonus3. The damage mod values I used was an example to show that we know they're multiplied together, not summed, based on the fitting screen's display.

hydraSlav's Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 90	Posted - 2013.04.21 18:16:00 - [51] - Quote Illuminaughty-696 wrote: tools like this for every aspect of DUST. =D Don't want to hi-jack this thread, so i will just ask you to look at a sticky in Rookie Training Grounds


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