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Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:33:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Why was there so little damage to each other, I know you both have enough isk to actually throw down
Most of our Eve pilots are very young in game and don't have expensive ships - the ships being lost (on our side) are by these younger pilots. Also, because they are younger, they don't have the Skill Points, ISK, and Firepower to kill the more expensive ships that SI has brought - so they kill what they can. Think fighting against a proto assault suit in a militia suit, but being able to see recognize you are outclassed from a longer range (unlike in Dust where you sometimes have to be within 20 meters to see what kind of suit you are up against, sniping excluded for one of the best snipers in the game :P ). |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:04:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Foxhound Elite wrote:SoLJae wrote:Ahhh, so we capitulated with the goal in mind of a bigger success in the future.
In other words...we won.
Go Zion! I think the original post kind of counters what you've just said. Shall we get the kill-posts up in here? Not to mention counting Zions vs SI's ISK loss, which was substantial on your side. enjoy the move from one crumbling alliance to another one about to be stomped on. http://i.imgur.com/WKbcI.gif I already posted the kills, and SI managed 3 total since Saturday, while we killed the 10 that showed up to fight. Not only that, but of the ISK spent on ships during this war, 67% of all losses were from SI, not ZTCD. In case you missed the report: http://ziontcd.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20519Fail troll is fail.
Um... Doesn't it clearly state that Zion lost almost twice as much ISK as SI did? At least those are the numbers I'm seeing on the link.
That said, good luck to SI in their continuing war. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:07:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Foxhound Elite wrote:SoLJae wrote:Ahhh, so we capitulated with the goal in mind of a bigger success in the future.
In other words...we won.
Go Zion! I think the original post kind of counters what you've just said. Shall we get the kill-posts up in here? Not to mention counting Zions vs SI's ISK loss, which was substantial on your side. enjoy the move from one crumbling alliance to another one about to be stomped on. http://i.imgur.com/WKbcI.gif I already posted the kills, and SI managed 3 total since Saturday, while we killed the 10 that showed up to fight. Not only that, but of the ISK spent on ships during this war, 67% of all losses were from SI, not ZTCD. In case you missed the report: http://ziontcd.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=20519Fail troll is fail. Um... Doesn't it clearly state that Zion lost almost twice as much ISK as SI did? At least those are the numbers I'm seeing on the link. That said, good luck to SI in their continuing war.
At the time I posted it, we had a 67% efficiency rating based on ISK - this means that we killed 67% of the total ISK killed in the war.
Since that was posted, we lost a battleship lowing our rating to 30%, though we still lead in total number of kills.
I could chose to use ship kill % for the effiecency rating as well (which I didn't in this case). Had I done this, our rating would be 70%, meaning that 70% of total kills in this war were by a member of ZTCD. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:08:00 -
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It is a fact that you lead in kills; however, although I don't play EVE myself, I think ISK is more important, isn't it? |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:10:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:It is a fact that you lead in kills; however, although I don't play EVE myself, I think ISK is more important, isn't it?
It really depends on your perspective as to which is more important. I think both stats are equally important. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:16:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:It is a fact that you lead in kills; however, although I don't play EVE myself, I think ISK is more important, isn't it? It really depends on your perspective as to which is more important. I think both stats are equally important.
Well, if I lose more ships but also have more ISK, I can easily buy the same ones or something else. On the other hand, you wouldn't be able to replenish your forces that quickly, due to more ISK getting lost and the higher costs of ships destroyed. I don't know about general EVE population's stance on this, but here is my perspective. And this is why I believe SI has an advantage at this moment. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:19:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:It is a fact that you lead in kills; however, although I don't play EVE myself, I think ISK is more important, isn't it? It really depends on your perspective as to which is more important. I think both stats are equally important. Well, if I lose more ships but also have more ISK, I can easily buy the same ones or something else. On the other hand, you wouldn't be able to replenish your forces that quickly, due to more ISK getting lost and the higher costs of ships destroyed. I don't know about general EVE population's stance on this, but here is my perspective. And this is why I believe SI has an advantage at this moment.
Part of the reason I don't put as much weight in ISK (for this war anyway) is that losing a single battleship can heavily sway the numbers. To me this makes it an unreliable way to say one team is doing better than the other - it does not account for pilot skill/error over an extended period of time.
Now, if the engagement were wider - meaning that the number of kills was a significant number (I think we can agree less than 20 total kills is pretty insignificant) then ISK would weigh more heavily in my mind. And to clarify, I would feel this way were the numbers reversed.
That said, I definately understand where you are coming from. |
Mr Turtlez
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:31:00 -
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ISK is the only thing that matters. If you kill 1000 T1 rifters and we kill 1 titan we still win the war. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:37:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Why was there so little damage to each other, I know you both have enough isk to actually throw down Most of our Eve pilots are very young in game and don't have expensive ships - the ships being lost (on our side) are by these younger pilots. Also, because they are younger, they don't have the Skill Points, ISK, and Firepower to kill the more expensive ships that SI has brought - so they kill what they can. Think fighting against a proto assault suit in a militia suit, but being able to see recognize you are outclassed from a longer range (unlike in Dust where you sometimes have to be within 20 meters to see what kind of suit you are up against, sniping excluded for one of the best snipers in the game :P ).
A number of the guys you are fighting are like me. 1 months skills. So you're dead right about it being good practise. I hope it is simply a bug, and we can keep blasting chunks out of each other. Yeah, I'm EvEtarded :p
@Zionshad. I almost joined ZionTCD back in the day. Seeing you hide in station while your fleet fought hard has proven to me that I made the right choice. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:46:00 -
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Mr Turtlez wrote:ISK is the only thing that matters. If you kill 1000 T1 rifters and we kill 1 titan we still win the war.
The comparison isn't the same. You are talking extremes whereas I am talking when they are closer together, and there isn't a significant push one way or the other. |
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achiever
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:49:00 -
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you call this a kb https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=warning&l=http%3a%2f%2fziontcd.eve-kill.net%2f%3fa%3dcc_detail%26amp%3bctr_id%3d20519&domain=eve-kill.net
here a kb http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=alon+blackhelm
you corp need some work go get some moms and titans and a few carriers and go try too take over some null sec space then let see how that kb looks |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:50:00 -
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interesting. Zion claims to be the victor when they clearly surrendered. I dont know about you but in my opinion when you are about to win you dont stop. Except you are really stupid. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:51:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:interesting. Zion claims to be the victor when they clearly surrendered. I dont know about you but in my opinion when you are about to win you dont stop. Except you are really stupid.
Hey Cloud - good to see you.
There was a glitch in the alliance creation process that caused all war decs to be dropped. A petition with CCP has been opened. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
248
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:51:00 -
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Sir Meode wrote:So Zion maybe won a few battles but couldn't handle the war Ek.... Hurrrkk... KEEP HAVING TO DELETE MYSELF DUE TO TROLL REMARKS! GAH! Errrmmmm....... In short..... Zion would never drop a war they were hands down winning.... Especially after dropping 16 of your tanks..... that's all I got without trolling....
Oh, and tell Edrot I said hi. That dude's been a thorn in my side for a LONG time. That is to say, I'm a big fan. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:52:00 -
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Never claimed our players who are 2 months old had learned the finer parts of PvP yet. Good try though. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:53:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:interesting. Zion claims to be the victor when they clearly surrendered. I dont know about you but in my opinion when you are about to win you dont stop. Except I'm really stupid. Fixed that for you for your ability to pay attention to posts made other then OP's.
Don't take just any random member of ZionTCD word as a fact or face of our corporation. People don't do it with me - and it shouldn't be done to others. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:58:00 -
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then it shouldnt be a problem to start it all over again. Only if thats actually the case. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:01:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:then it shouldnt be a problem to start it all over again. Only if thats actually the case.
I've already told them that they are welcome to send another wardec to us, as they were the ones who started this one. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:14:00 -
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any other retired eve pilots look at this and think it resembles 2 toddlers screaming and scratching at each other?
It would be better if you kept the eve stuff on the eve forums, I play dust to escape internet spaceship epeens, most retired pilots have more kills then both your alliances put together. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:21:00 -
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Quick update from the KB: Zion's efficiency dropped almost to 25%. Another battleship down, I assume?
I still don't see how can this situation be claimed as winning to Zion. |
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trollface dot jpg
Destined 4 Biomass
24
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:33:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Quick update from the KB: Zion's efficiency dropped almost to 25%. Another battleship down, I assume?
I still don't see how can this situation be claimed as winning to Zion. Don't know Eve well, but I would think dropping efficiency AFTER a wardec is over wouldn't be a factor in the results of a wardec. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I know little about Eve. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:50:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:any other retired eve pilots look at this and think it resembles 2 toddlers screaming and scratching at each other?
It would be better if you kept the eve stuff on the eve forums, I play dust to escape internet spaceship epeens, most retired pilots have more kills then both your alliances put together.
I agree, I have no idea why SI decided to post this on Dust forums instead of Eve forums. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:54:00 -
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(still, this should be on war room=) |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:12:00 -
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trollface dot jpg wrote:Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Quick update from the KB: Zion's efficiency dropped almost to 25%. Another battleship down, I assume?
I still don't see how can this situation be claimed as winning to Zion. Don't know Eve well, but I would think dropping efficiency AFTER a wardec is over wouldn't be a factor in the results of a wardec. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I know little about Eve.
Well, the war still continues during the 24 hours after "the end" of the war. Moreover, as mentioned before, this was cause by a glitch, and the war will resume once the cooldown is over. |
trollface dot jpg
Destined 4 Biomass
24
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:23:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:trollface dot jpg wrote:Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Quick update from the KB: Zion's efficiency dropped almost to 25%. Another battleship down, I assume?
I still don't see how can this situation be claimed as winning to Zion. Don't know Eve well, but I would think dropping efficiency AFTER a wardec is over wouldn't be a factor in the results of a wardec. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I know little about Eve. Well, the war still continues during the 24 hours after "the end" of the war. Moreover, as mentioned before, this was cause by a glitch, and the war will resume once the cooldown is over. Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.
Edit: One more question; Is it clear that SI was the cause of the drop in efficiency? I can't make heads or tails of that stat sheet. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:35:00 -
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Well as you can now see an alliance next to our names it shows an alliance was made. It was fun to see that it drops a war dec once a corps makes an Alliance, but let me ask what exactly happens if a Corp surrenders? It doesn't seem like we would lose isk, standings or anything to that extent. The only thing I see is maybe a lose. If thats the case why not just continue to surrender just to cost the other corp ISK?
This is a for real question here |
kellyn whiteheart
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
54
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:39:00 -
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we had to battleships lost thats why we lost the efficiency rating. however that being said both losses were pilot error and error on myself as well. some others mentioned these small isk numbers dont mean much because they dont take into account pilot errors..
prior to the errors we were way ahead
i know all this because "i was there" |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
53
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Posted - 2013.02.07 03:07:00 -
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War decs are for empire gank and trolling
When planets are able to be owned in dust, real wars will not be declared in empire, but fought in null, |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.07 03:13:00 -
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trollface dot jpg wrote:Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:trollface dot jpg wrote:Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Quick update from the KB: Zion's efficiency dropped almost to 25%. Another battleship down, I assume?
I still don't see how can this situation be claimed as winning to Zion. Don't know Eve well, but I would think dropping efficiency AFTER a wardec is over wouldn't be a factor in the results of a wardec. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I know little about Eve. Well, the war still continues during the 24 hours after "the end" of the war. Moreover, as mentioned before, this was cause by a glitch, and the war will resume once the cooldown is over. Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. Edit: One more question; Is it clear that SI was the cause of the drop in efficiency? I can't make heads or tails of that stat sheet.
Yes; that spreadsheet shows kills of SI ships and losses taken during fights with SI members. Thus, since Zion's ISK losses are three times as much as SI losses, herein comes the efficient rating of 25%.
kellyn whiteheart wrote:we had to battleships lost thats why we lost the efficiency rating. however that being said both losses were pilot error and error on myself as well. some others mentioned these small isk numbers dont mean much because they dont take into account pilot errors..
prior to the errors we were way ahead
i know all this because "i was there"
Yeah, I see your point. I bet 0.7 billion ISK is not a large sum for a corporation, is it? |
trollface dot jpg
Destined 4 Biomass
24
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Posted - 2013.02.07 03:31:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:trollface dot jpg wrote:Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. Edit: One more question; Is it clear that SI was the cause of the drop in efficiency? I can't make heads or tails of that stat sheet. Yes; that spreadsheet shows kills of SI ships and losses taken during fights with SI members. Thus, since Zion's ISK losses are three times as much as SI losses, herein comes the efficient rating of 25%.
Thanks for the info. Was thinking about perhaps trying Eve to learn more about it, but after a bit of research, it turns out my laptop is so crappy that it won't even run the character creator properly.... Downsides of being poor....
And thanks for the straight info without any trolling, not enough of that these days. |
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