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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:00:00 -
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I shot this HAV until its armor was burning, and just one tiny hit was all it would take it to destroy it. While I was reloading to deliver the finishing forge gun shot, it got destroyed because of burning armor. I only got assists for the destruction.
If you are the last one to land a hit, and caused the armor to be burning, then you should get the destruction/kill war points and credit, not just an assist.
About dropships specifically, if you hit a dropship and they lose control and crash, it should count as a kill/destruction. You are the reason they crashed, therefore you should get the WP and credit for it, and not just an assist. Another option would be to give a suicide assist points and credit that is less WP than a destruction, but more than a regular assist.
EDIT:
Another solution would just be to make assists proportional to damage done like described in this thread. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:06:00 -
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I feel your pain. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.02.05 22:55:00 -
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I've shot an AR at a HAV with burning armor and got the assist. Some one with a nade or something got the kill. So it just takes one scrambler pistol to steal your WP |
Vaerana Myshtana
ScIdama
Endless Renaissance
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Posted - 2013.02.05 23:18:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I shot this HAV until its armor was burning, and just one tiny hit was all it would take it to destroy it. While I was reloading to deliver the finishing forge gun shot, it got destroyed because of burning armor. I only got assists for the destruction.
If you are the last one to land a hit, and caused the armor to be burning, then you should get the destruction/kill war points and credit, not just an assist.
About dropships specifically, if you hit a dropship and they lose control and crash, it should count as a kill/destruction. You are the reason they crashed, therefore you should get the WP and credit for it, and not just an assist. Another option would be to give a suicide assist points and credit that is less WP than a destruction, but more than a regular assist.
Yes, yes, and yes!
I'm sick of getting "Assists" when I did the killing. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.05 23:59:00 -
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All of this. It sucks putting all the time and effort into downing a dropship or a tank and to get nothing in return. |
Jackof All-Trades
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.02.06 05:28:00 -
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Assists proportional to damage done. Please. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:13:00 -
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Fair rewards are always good. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:16:00 -
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Better solution, remove burning armor. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.02.10 17:24:00 -
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This problem is even more common against Dropships which commonly impact the ground before the final blow is landed. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:15:00 -
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Needed |
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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:48:00 -
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I'll add my minor weight behind this. As a dedicated AV guy, this is one of my biggest bug bears. I seem to be outright killing a lot more dropships these days but still occasionally only get an assist. Not so much a problem with LAVs anymore because my swarms OHK them but tanks are especially annoying because they can take a lot more time and effort and if you only get a 75WP assist and all three people inside just (died), that is bull and I want credit for the full 300 if I was the last to hit it.
And yes, I know it would be easy for someone to just come along and fire one pistol round at it to claim the kill but this can already happen, so there'd be no difference. It'd still be an improvement over the death by burning half points fiasco. |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:49:00 -
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I'm also not against assists proportional to damage done but understand that the coding for that will be extremely complex and there would definitely be lots of issues in the inner mechanics. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 00:05:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:This problem is even more common against Dropships which commonly impact the ground before the final blow is landed.
Worse, they actually seem to have some hidden HP buffer onto which no damage leaks. Therefore all the shots that would've killed the DS only cause it to rift in flames for some time.
I'm not sure hitting that DS again while on that secret HP reserve would cause it to explode mid-air. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.02.12 00:08:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Cross Atu wrote:This problem is even more common against Dropships which commonly impact the ground before the final blow is landed. Worse, they actually seem to have some hidden HP buffer onto which no damage leaks. Therefore all the shots that would've killed the DS only cause it to rift in flames for some time. I'm not sure hitting that DS again while on that secret HP reserve would cause it to explode mid-air.
Nah, I've done it - they never explode mid-air. However, like I said, I do seem to often get the full kill on dropships these days - might just be because I beefed up my swarms and most ships are rubbish atm but who knows? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:20:00 -
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It would at least be nice if there was a "critical assist" for vehicles and infantry kills when you do the majority of the damage, that gives 80% of a full kill/destruction points. |
James Thraxton
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:25:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Cross Atu wrote:This problem is even more common against Dropships which commonly impact the ground before the final blow is landed. Worse, they actually seem to have some hidden HP buffer onto which no damage leaks. Therefore all the shots that would've killed the DS only cause it to rift in flames for some time. I'm not sure hitting that DS again while on that secret HP reserve would cause it to explode mid-air. Nah, I've done it - they never explode mid-air. However, like I said, I do seem to often get the full kill on dropships these days - might just be because I beefed up my swarms and most ships are rubbish atm but who knows?
i get half kills, half assists, also i don't want passengers/pilots have the chance to jump out, fully loaded destroyed in midair should equal 7x kill + ds destruction, ie 425 wp, not as low as 25 for assist only. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.19 04:00:00 -
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I'll shoot a vehicle with my AR as it's about to go boom, sometime I'll get the assist... sometime I'll get the kill  |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.03.21 07:16:00 -
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Not a major issue, but still kind of a problem. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:12:00 -
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Is more an annoyance than anything - the simplest solution is to just exclude burning or environment collision damage from the coding that decides who the kill and assist goes to.:
e.g. if ( killDmg.isFrom(Player) ) killCredit -> lastPlayer; else if (killDmg.isFrom(not.Player) killCredit -> lastPlayer);
Hope this makes sense. My pseudo code is a little rusty ;) |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:32:00 -
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Just saw this from today:
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:[BUG] Swarm Launchers not awarding correct WP for dropship kills
Status: Working as intended. The dev team will review this design and determin if improvements are required.
Working as intended!? They want us to get no credit for killing dropships!?
Yes improvements are required. |
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Coleman Gray
RED COLONIAL MARINES
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:46:00 -
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This, a thousand times this! Assists and kill rewards should be awarded according to damage, like the person who did the MOST damage gets the kill and the rest get assists.
In the case of vehicles with multiple people on board perhaps people who are awarded assists should get assists for the kills and vehicle. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:49:00 -
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Armor burning shouldnt be in period, its cheap and stupid
The player should kill the vehicle not a game mechanic |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
251
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:53:00 -
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Django Quik wrote: -- snip of Suggested code fix to CCP -- Highly optimistic code. Not optimized, optimistic.
They maintain the last Two Causes that damages some Thing. When it dies then Thing->LastDamage gets the Kill and Thing->PrevDamage gets the Assist.
It is not reassigned to the LastPlayer because the LastPlayer did not Cause the damage. Maybe if they kept a list of Damages they could assess how it should be parceled out. However, they obviously don't.
A timer is being used as well one might note. If the damage caused by the Player happens Too long ago then nothing gets rewarded to the Player. So, in addition to being the one to cause the chain of destruction that resulted in the Destruction of some Thing the chain it what destroyed it. Not the initiator of the chain. If the Pilot/Driver/Operator is able to escape and repair/recover than nothing is awarded in that situation either.
Being that CCP/Shanghai reports to CCP I doubt if it will change.
Welcome to New Eden. Nothing is fair. Get used to it. |
Adstellarum
G I A N T
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:04:00 -
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I'm going to put a request for them to remove dropships from the game because explosive missiles when it brings the dropship HP to 0 don't make it explode in midair like it should and then secondly dropship pilots can only get WP from 2 players manning their guns and killing people.... they don't get any WP if they have a MCRU and people spawn in on it or anything.... players can't use their weapons to fire out of a dropship to score kills which would give dropship pilots more chances to score WP.. now people use dropships as drop and ditch when no longer needed instead of trying to keep safe to give air support to the ground units |
CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:36:00 -
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+1
Active AV gunner here, tired of hitting a DS with a forge gun only to watch it slowly drop to the ground and every one jumps out and i get a lousy 75 assist points. If i one shot it, it should have killed everyone in it.
Sorry CCP sometimes giving into those CoD fans just hurts this game, this is one of those times. |
Adstellarum
G I A N T
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:55:00 -
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i did get extremely lucky one day in a pub match.. it was very close to the end of the game and i was in a forge gun fit heavy i blasted a dropship the guy didn't bail happened to have a MCRU on his drop ship and it filled up instantly just before it hit the ground... was expecting to see him bail and only get dropship kill but ended up getting the dropship, himself and 6 others and i was like wholy crap and that ended the match |
CPL Bloodstone
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
24
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Posted - 2013.03.21 17:03:00 -
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Adstellarum wrote:i did get extremely lucky one day in a pub match.. it was very close to the end of the game and i was in a forge gun fit heavy i blasted a dropship the guy didn't bail happened to have a MCRU on his drop ship and it filled up instantly just before it hit the ground... was expecting to see him bail and only get dropship kill but ended up getting the dropship, himself and 6 others and i was like wholy crap and that ended the match
havent seen anything like that in a very long time. Congrats on the kills btw. Folks started complaining on here because they were used to BF2 and other fps where the vehicle would catch fire and they could jump out. Silly silly change IMO.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.03.27 03:41:00 -
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pew pew |
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