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Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.02.04 17:04:00 - [1] - Quote This is a graphical issue which creates a tactical/mechanical one. The ability of Heavy HMGs to shoot from a location not corollary with the muzzle of the weapon leads to a "shooting through walls" effect. It breaks immersion and diminishes tactical game play for solid physical objects to suddenly not be cover for no clear reason. Now let me be clear, I think it's fine for HMGs to be able to target as they do now so long as it is visibly evident that they are able to do so. The UI needs to give proper cues to the user regarding what is occurring within the game world. 0.02 ISK Cross
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.02.04 19:01:00 - [2] - Quote Edit: I must have read the post wrong or something...wow.
Piercing Serenity Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 181	Posted - 2013.02.04 19:13:00 - [3] - Quote Can you explain this a bit more Cross? I'm ignorant of the problem and I'd like some more background information/explanation of it please. Keep up the good work as always. I always read your threads. Maybe I'm a fan. PS
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.04 19:20:00 - [4] - Quote THis is the "head glitching" that many people always talk about. You shoot out of your eyeballs not out of the gun. This is why heavies with their huge HMG can hide behind a rock and with only their head exposed shoot their HMG and hit you andyou can see the bullets visibly coming out from the middle of the rock. This is also why snipers can sit with just the very tip of their head exposed and snipe people.......every character/weapon has this issue....and yes it is something that needs to be addressed.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 117	Posted - 2013.02.04 19:24:00 - [5] - Quote this doesnt ONLY apply to HMG users.... although it is much more inadvertant for hmg to do it than say laser, sniper, etc that are softspotting... glitches that devs need to fix, plain and simple..
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.02.04 19:28:00 - [6] - Quote As a side note, another graphical issue I have is with the way heavies climb ladders. They literally carry the HMG in one hand the whole way up. That's some serious man power right there.
Jack Hawthorn BlueCorp 6	Posted - 2013.02.04 19:52:00 - [7] - Quote buff man power! But in all actuality a Heavy shouldnt be able to climb a later for the fact that that a heavy suit wouldnt allow a heavy to climb a later.
drake sadani Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.02.04 20:54:00 - [8] - Quote did someone just suggest that fatty no climb ladders :( shame on you . fatties are people to ;\|
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:10:00 - [9] - Quote I actually agree that heavies should not be able to climb ladders.....lore would be easy enough to explain this. I also think they should occupy 2 person slots in a vehicle.
drake sadani Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:19:00 - [10] - Quote are you telling me that the lore of dust supports fatty hate o_o . how about we just strap them to a easy go . -_- . you guys suck picking on the fats and making them take up two seats in a vehicle not climbing ladders I BELIEVE IN YOU FATTIES YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU WANT WHEN YOU WANT!!!!!!

semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:29:00 - [11] - Quote drake sadani wrote: are you telling me that the lore of dust supports fatty hate o_o . how about we just strap them to a easy go . -_- . you guys suck picking on the fats and making them take up two seats in a vehicle not climbing ladders I BELIEVE IN YOU FATTIES YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU WANT WHEN YOU WANT!!!!!! If they went on a diet I wouldnt have a problem with them.
drake sadani Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.02.04 21:34:00 - [12] - Quote its not a diet issue is the way they where made.... no really thats the way they are made lawls
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.02.04 23:30:00 - [13] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: This is a graphical issue which creates a tactical/mechanical one. The ability of Heavy HMGs to shoot from a location not corollary with the muzzle of the weapon leads to a "shooting through walls" effect. It breaks immersion and diminishes tactical game play for solid physical objects to suddenly not be cover for no clear reason. Now let me be clear, I think it's fine for HMGs to be able to target as they do now so long as it is visibly evident that they are able to do so. The UI needs to give proper cues to the user regarding what is occurring within the game world. 0.02 ISK Cross This occurs because CCP hasn't put in an animation that would make sense, AKA the heavy lifting the gun and bracing it on top of the small wall. Would make people quitcher QQing, but that would take up yet more resources devoted to gameplay.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2013.02.06 01:22:00 - [14] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Cross Atu wrote: This is a graphical issue which creates a tactical/mechanical one. The ability of Heavy HMGs to shoot from a location not corollary with the muzzle of the weapon leads to a "shooting through walls" effect. It breaks immersion and diminishes tactical game play for solid physical objects to suddenly not be cover for no clear reason. Now let me be clear, I think it's fine for HMGs to be able to target as they do now so long as it is visibly evident that they are able to do so. The UI needs to give proper cues to the user regarding what is occurring within the game world. 0.02 ISK Cross This occurs because CCP hasn't put in an animation that would make sense, AKA the heavy lifting the gun and bracing it on top of the small wall. Would make people quitcher QQing, but that would take up yet more resources devoted to gameplay. This is true and has been mentioned this is not exclusive to the heavy (it's just most pronounced there), the problem comes not in a mechanical class balance issue but in that the current graphics provide false feedback to the user. The same type of issue appears when sounds of weapons fire are absent, etc. These sorts of issues are not simply presentation or "window dressing" due to their impact on tactical choices and game play. CCP, before you make the graphics look better, please make sure they represent what's actually taking place on the battlefield. Cheers, Cross ps ~ Piercing Serenity, I hope the thread thus far has cleared up what I was talking about however if any questions remain do please ask :) and I"m glad you like the threads, I'll have that to console me the next time you and your Corp bring the pain in a match
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.06 02:04:00 - [15] - Quote As a heavy who blew himself up today with a forgun shot that should have been over a railing but wasn't.... I would rather say its the terrain's fault.
Mars El'Theran Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness 52	Posted - 2013.02.06 02:12:00 - [16] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: As a side note, another graphical issue I have is with the way heavies climb ladders. They literally carry the HMG in one hand the whole way up. That's some serious man power right there. Not impossible. You don't do manual labor do you? edit: 'physical work' is what I mean. Drilling, construction, breaking concrete, framing, etc..
Page85 BetaMax Beta 0	Posted - 2013.02.13 15:33:00 - [17] - Quote I think heavies shouldn't be climbing ladders period. The fact that they can barely walk and turn while carrying an HMG should be proof enough that climbing a ladder would be impossible.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 264	Posted - 2013.02.13 18:06:00 - [18] - Quote I see no reason why heavies shouldn't be able to climb ladders if they do it SLLLLOOOOOOOOWWWWWLY. I mean future space ladders should be able to handle the weight and the heavies with determination should be able to find tactically advantageous spots just like assaults or scouts. In this thread butt hurt heavy haters trying to nerf the heavy. i run logi and i support our larger brethren!
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2013.02.13 18:27:00 - [19] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: As a side note, another graphical issue I have is with the way heavies climb ladders. They literally carry the HMG in one hand the whole way up. That's some serious man power right there. Oh come on, it's not -that- bad; according to the Lore it's ONLY 160 kilos xD
Page85 BetaMax Beta 0	Posted - 2013.02.13 20:27:00 - [20] - Quote But heavies don't need high ground for advantage when they can easily handle 2 vs 1. A heavy shouldn't be as affective as a sniper rifle or AR from the top of a platform halfway across a map.



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