DUST Search - Scan Profiles.

greyarea67 wrote:

dent 308 wrote:

Scanning 101.
Scan Profile is the electronic signature of your suit, measured in decibels.
Scan Precision is the accuracy of your suits sensors, also in decibels.
Scan Radius is the range of your sensors in meters.

Profile Vs Precision. Lower number wins basically.

Not counting visual tagging, but just relying on the sensor the basic idea is a profile lower than your precision will NOT be revealed on your minimap.
With enough range and precision this is how we can see "through walls" as it were.

Be advised a skilled scout with profile dampeners will trump a skilled scout with precision enhancers.

There is still debate about whether the scanning is 360 degrees, or based on the 180 arc you are facing. This in mind, and knowing about the existence of shotgun ninjas, you need to keep your head on a swivel, constantly scanning about you, both electronically and visually. Having too much faith in your sensors will get you killed.

Query: visual tagging?

I understood everything in the post expect for "visual tagging". If someone could explain that, it would be appreciated.

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Primarch2 Air Red Alliance 54	Posted - 2013.02.03 13:40:00 - [1] - Quote Hello Gentlemen, & Ladies, I'm an old EVE player, I started in the Beta during 2003 and then in the first year of the game. I was a pirate, and with my parrot on my shoulder I remember doing numerous bad deeds, from scamming characters i assume must have been grandmothers, to tanking the sentry guns in Hi-sec with a group of other nefarious bar-stewards and essentially destroying Jita until the devs had to come. Ahh, those were the days. I left Eve after the first year due to not having to time, but DUST....Is perfect. I can immerse myself in the rich and satisfying waters of New Eden, revel in the backstory, the setting, the concepts, the artwork, the disgusting Ammarian slavery, the corporate greed of the Caldari, the French revolution of the Gallante or the stalwart defiance of the Minmatar, i can do it in a FPS without the MMO part taking over my life and leading me to drop out of work and claim fraudulent benefits. DUST is a truly fantastic game, and firstly, if any Devs ever read this post....simply...Thankyou. Your awesome. Secondly, I have actually forgotten some of the finer nuances of the game, so I have a few questions for anyone kind enough to help me! Firstly, I'm looking to create a fast hit and run scout char. Am I right in thinking scan profile means the ability of others to see you on their HUD? So -5% scan profile means that there is less chance they will see me? This is slightly confusing, but also pertinent if i'm looking to create a stealthy character. Ie: Train up dampening ect. Also, Is there any way to sell or delete modules? and will we be able to sell/trade with other plays and eve players eventually? Thirdly, What is the unladen weight of the typical African Swallow. Prim
D'Finn Rhedlyne Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 266	Posted - 2013.02.03 13:45:00 - [2] - Quote 1. Yes to all your questions. 2. Coming soon (later this year) 3. 21 grams.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 283	Posted - 2013.02.03 13:47:00 - [3] - Quote Primarch2 wrote: Firstly, I'm looking to create a fast hit and run scout char. Am I right in thinking scan profile means the ability of others to see you on their HUD? So -5% scan profile means that there is less chance they will see me? This is slightly confusing, but also pertinent if i'm looking to create a stealthy character. Ie: Train up dampening ect. Dropsuit Operations, Profile dampening and profile dampening modules all reduce your chance of showing up on nme radar. Primarch2 wrote: Also, Is there any way to sell or delete modules? and will we be able to sell/trade with other plays and eve players eventually? Not yet. Primarch2 wrote: Thirdly, What is the unladen weight of the typical African Swallow. African or European? Welcome back :)
Primarch2 Air Red Alliance 54	Posted - 2013.02.03 13:52:00 - [4] - Quote Thanks for your responses! I just wanted to be sure before I skilled into it. Ahh, 'Soon' tm I'm not sure, the Holy Locus Hand Grenade just blew it up.
Hojdar Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:19:00 - [5] - Quote I am still wondering the profile dampener thing and i haven't seen a sufficient anwser yet. What does 5% less chance mean? How does it work in the first place? Is it that you try out every second to see if the profile shows up, every 10 sec, every 30? Also, what is the base profile value for a dropsuit, do different suits have different values? Does the profile dampener also work on things like grenades and uplinks? TBH there is some lack in clarifying certain skills, like the profile dampener. It wouldn't hurt or game, nor would it be dumbing it down, to have a more thorough explanation of the skills in the game or an online manual or anything down that road. I miss the good old time where you got a proper manual with a game.
Primarch2 Air Red Alliance 54	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:23:00 - [6] - Quote Hi Hojdar, There is a manual! It's in the Stickies at the top. However, it doesn't mention anything about Profile Dampening. Yeah, There really should be some clarification. I have also seen some skills that say -5% when they should say +5%, because the -5% would be a decrease in the proficiency of the skill. I cant remember specifically what the skills were but I have seen two that are incorrect in their description. However, In CCP's defense....It's still the Beta.
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:46:00 - [7] - Quote I have a character speccing into this right now. I'm with you, I wish there was a lot more information on this aspect of the game out there, but since there isn't, lets you and me figure it out for ourselves. So every dropsuit has a base scan profile. The baseline of the assault suit (the most popular suit) is 50 DB (whatever that means). The Scout suit has a base scan precision of 45. What we don't know is how often the scanner "pulses" or if it constantly and automatically finds pings within its range. We also don't know exactly how play actions affect their profile signature. On a type-I, I have profile analysis 3 and an advanced precision module. This gives me a combined total of -30% of the base scan precision. So 31.5 is my scan precision. Lets give the average assault suit Dropsuit Command 3, netting them 15% reduction of their profile. 42.5 Meaning if they are in range, I should be able to see them on my radar. I also have range amplifying stuff on my suit, netting me 60% increase of range, which is base 25m. So right now my scan range is 40 meters. I can tell you that right now, I can scan out snipers in their hidey holes. No one has yet to walk up on me while I was hacking something without my knowledge. Still putting more skills into it. We'll see if this build works.
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:48:00 - [8] - Quote Feel free to contact me in game if you have questions. I might not have answers, but we can discuss and experiment.
Primarch2 Air Red Alliance 54	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:57:00 - [9] - Quote That helped clear up the idea, Thanks Sontie (Even though the numbers hurt my head, I'm not great with maths) In regards to Play actions, I have noticed in another thread someone mention sprinting negatively effects your own scan profile, Making you easier to spot. I also think Scan Profile dynamics will come into play once they bring out cloaking. I imagine firstly, that the skills will be a prequisite to any cloaking skill, and also they will come into play with its effectiveness. While not very well explained, we can agree, I think they are an important set of skills that will see more use and relevance in a later build/release build I will do mate, I'll hit you up in game with a FR
Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 15	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:01:00 - [10] - Quote Let me clarify something, the specific of -5% scan profile is the radius in which you can see and detect other players, thus making it more accurate and for u to see players. This is what's found if u upgrade your dropsuit command, but as others have said there's other things which you can get to help you stay "stealthy" and not be as easily visible on enemy radar if that makes sense. So, the type of character you are wanting to make wouldent benefit as much with the upgrades in dropsuit command, i would only upgrade until u can use your scout dropsuits then switch to some dampening etc as previously mentioned.

Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:12:00 - [11] - Quote The name of the character who is going the scanner scout route is WHYCANTIDIE
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 205	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:13:00 - [12] - Quote D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote: 1. Yes to all your questions. 2. Coming soon (later this year) 3. 21 grams. yahoo answers doesnt count
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.21 18:54:00 - [13] - Quote I have met players who are running dropsuit 5 and profile dampening 5. on my type 1 scout with lvl 4 precision and 1 advanced precision enhancer, I can't see them unless they are literally right on me. Also, the first ring in your radar is 25 meters. Your welcome.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.02.21 18:59:00 - [14] - Quote Sontie wrote: I have met players who are running dropsuit 5 and profile dampening 5. on my type 1 scout with lvl 4 precision and 1 advanced precision enhancer, I can't see them unless they are literally right on me. Also, the first ring in your radar is 25 meters. Your welcome. Also the middle right is 50m and the limit is 100m. The V corresponds to what your field of view is AND what your radar will 'see'.
i-get-pubstomped all-day Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.02.21 19:05:00 - [15] - Quote Primarch2 wrote: Hello Gentlemen, & Ladies, I'm an old EVE player, Hello gentleman. I'm old. also, 5 ounces.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2013.02.21 19:06:00 - [16] - Quote Scanning 101. Scan Profile is the electronic signature of your suit, measured in decibels. Scan Precision is the accuracy of your suits sensors, also in decibels. Scan Radius is the range of your sensors in meters. Profile Vs Precision. Lower number wins basically. Not counting visual tagging, but just relying on the sensor the basic idea is a profile lower than your precision will NOT be revealed on your minimap. With enough range and precision this is how we can see "through walls" as it were. Be advised a skilled scout with profile dampeners will trump a skilled scout with precision enhancers. There is still debate about whether the scanning is 360 degrees, or based on the 180 arc you are facing. This in mind, and knowing about the existence of shotgun ninjas, you need to keep your head on a swivel, constantly scanning about you, both electronically and visually. Having too much faith in your sensors will get you killed.
Monty Mole Clone The c64s 8	Posted - 2013.02.21 19:27:00 - [17] - Quote dent 308 wrote: There is still debate about whether the scanning is 360 degrees, or based on the 180 arc you are facing. This in mind, and knowing about the existence of shotgun ninjas, you need to keep your head on a swivel, constantly scanning about you, both electronically and visually. Having too much faith in your sensors will get you killed. just my opinion, but im certain its 360 degrees
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 9	Posted - 2013.02.25 06:16:00 - [18] - Quote Is the mini map the only thing affected by profile dampening? I'm asking because I'm wondering if equipping a profile dampener makes it more difficult to locate a person at distance. For example, often when I'm scanning the hills for snipers I just run my gun over the general area to see if any names light up and a chevron appears. Will equipping a profile dampener make it more difficult to locate or be located using this method?
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.25 11:01:00 - [19] - Quote Yes, very much so. With maxed out skills and no modules, your pretty much impossible to light up without being directly on them.
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.25 11:02:00 - [20] - Quote Scanning helps knifing a lot.

greyarea67 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.29 06:11:00 - [21] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Scanning 101. Scan Profile is the electronic signature of your suit, measured in decibels. Scan Precision is the accuracy of your suits sensors, also in decibels. Scan Radius is the range of your sensors in meters. Profile Vs Precision. Lower number wins basically. Not counting visual tagging, but just relying on the sensor the basic idea is a profile lower than your precision will NOT be revealed on your minimap. With enough range and precision this is how we can see "through walls" as it were. Be advised a skilled scout with profile dampeners will trump a skilled scout with precision enhancers. There is still debate about whether the scanning is 360 degrees, or based on the 180 arc you are facing. This in mind, and knowing about the existence of shotgun ninjas, you need to keep your head on a swivel, constantly scanning about you, both electronically and visually. Having too much faith in your sensors will get you killed. Query: visual tagging? I understood everything in the post expect for "visual tagging". If someone could explain that, it would be appreciated.
rebecca watson Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2013.03.29 06:45:00 - [22] - Quote greyarea67 wrote: dent 308 wrote: Scanning 101. Scan Profile is the electronic signature of your suit, measured in decibels. Scan Precision is the accuracy of your suits sensors, also in decibels. Scan Radius is the range of your sensors in meters. Profile Vs Precision. Lower number wins basically. Not counting visual tagging, but just relying on the sensor the basic idea is a profile lower than your precision will NOT be revealed on your minimap. With enough range and precision this is how we can see "through walls" as it were. Be advised a skilled scout with profile dampeners will trump a skilled scout with precision enhancers. There is still debate about whether the scanning is 360 degrees, or based on the 180 arc you are facing. This in mind, and knowing about the existence of shotgun ninjas, you need to keep your head on a swivel, constantly scanning about you, both electronically and visually. Having too much faith in your sensors will get you killed. Query: visual tagging? I understood everything in the post expect for "visual tagging". If someone could explain that, it would be appreciated. first of all dent 308, +1 for your clear explination, nice job man. EVE players get the scan jibber jabber, but it's not intuitive at first.... greyarea67, that means when you or someone on your squad/team visually sees someone (so that an arrow or icon shows up) then an arrow shows up on your hud/screen for others to see. That's why my tank driver alt is always asking my squad mates to "get eyes" on the enemy tank, so i can see his icon through buildings or terrain to sneak up on him....
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 330	Posted - 2013.03.29 08:28:00 - [23] - Quote Arbitrary Monty Python reference
La Fortune Terranauts 49	Posted - 2013.03.29 09:31:00 - [24] - Quote I'm certain that I read recently from a dev, that sprinting or crouching will not affect your scan profile. If I find the post again I'll link it. Anyway it's good to see other EVE players around, especially those that like to see the universe burn


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