DUST Search - Survival in Seconds; Suits V Weapons

Volgair wrote:

Now on to why i did this. First I wanted a table with which to make reference to current damage of weapons. Second I wanted to point out how grossly inadequate endgame EHP is compared to endgame damage potential.

With that out of the way I can make a "ideal scenario" for a Proto AR assault Vs similarly fit Proto HMG Heavy. This will allow me to give a comparative efficiency rate, (isk/Time to Live(TTL)) for both weapon platforms.

Heavy VK.1 (246,800)
Weapon-Boundless HMG/ none (118,040)
High- AUR Complex Heavy Damage Mod X2, Complex Shield Extender (7920, 80)
Low- Enhanced Armor Rep, Enhanced Shield Regulator (10,880)
Gr- AV (1,920)
Eq- N/A

Dam(DPS/DPS missing1/3 @ 15m)- 25.696( 856.533/ 573.877)
S/A(EHP)- 482/527.5(1009.5)
Price isk/ AUR- 385560 / 80 (We'll just call this 420,000 for the sake of simplicity)
TTL- 1.8025 seconds
isk/TTL- 233009.7isk per second

Assault VK.1 (91,200)
Weapon- Duvolle/ none (53,840)
High- Complex Light Damage Mod X2, Complex Shield Extender X2 ( 18,520)
Low- Complex CPU Extention, Complex Shield Regulator, Basic Armor Rep ( 36,560)
Gr- AV (1,920)
Eq- None (0)

Dam(DPS/DPS missing 1/10 @ 15m)- 49.781( 622.2625/ 560.03625)
S/A(EHP)- 446.25/131.25(577.5)
Price isk/ AUR- 202,040 / 0
TTL- 1.0063 seconds
isk/TTL- 200775.1 isk per second


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Evicer Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.02.03 19:08:00 - [1] - Quote Volgair wrote: Now on to why i did this. First I wanted a table with which to make reference to current damage of weapons. Second I wanted to point out how grossly inadequate endgame EHP is compared to endgame damage potential. With that out of the way I can make a "ideal scenario" for a Proto AR assault Vs similarly fit Proto HMG Heavy. This will allow me to give a comparative efficiency rate, (isk/Time to Live(TTL)) for both weapon platforms. Heavy VK.1 (246,800) Weapon-Boundless HMG/ none (118,040) High- AUR Complex Heavy Damage Mod X2, Complex Shield Extender (7920, 80) Low- Enhanced Armor Rep, Enhanced Shield Regulator (10,880) Gr- AV (1,920) Eq- N/A Dam(DPS/DPS missing1/3 @ 15m)- 25.696( 856.533/ 573.877) S/A(EHP)- 482/527.5(1009.5) Price isk/ AUR- 385560 / 80 (We'll just call this 420,000 for the sake of simplicity) TTL- 1.8025 seconds isk/TTL- 233009.7isk per second Assault VK.1 (91,200) Weapon- Duvolle/ none (53,840) High- Complex Light Damage Mod X2, Complex Shield Extender X2 ( 18,520) Low- Complex CPU Extention, Complex Shield Regulator, Basic Armor Rep ( 36,560) Gr- AV (1,920) Eq- None (0) Dam(DPS/DPS missing 1/10 @ 15m)- 49.781( 622.2625/ 560.03625) S/A(EHP)- 446.25/131.25(577.5) Price isk/ AUR- 202,040 / 0 TTL- 1.0063 seconds isk/TTL- 200775.1 isk per second Your math makes a lot of assumptions.The first one being that the AR user only misses 1/10 of his bullets....ok people miss more than that and because of your mobility as a heavy you feel that but scouts and other assaults are a different matter. 15m? really ?so your argument is that the HMG should be a long range weapon. Put down the part where every thing between you and 15 meters gets melted...instantly.Example turn a corner and boom Hmg heavy...melted.You example is if the heavy is out in the open....which he shouldnt be.Hevies should be in the objectives not out in the open. Being a closed beta tester I have had the opportunity to see alot of good tactics and alot of chicanery.But the best are when people use there suit as intended.. Scouts cross the field and drop a uplink near the objective letter and before you know it 4 heavies spawn in and its murder time.I would also like to point out that....CHICAGOCUBSFOREVER,HowdthatTaste,BlondieRoads,ExmapleCore,Aldin Kan......All way up on the leaderboards, and all are Heavies.HMG melts people in the short range. I was one of the people that actually helped to get the Hwss a little better for heavies and reduce the heat build up for HMG's and I dont even play a heavy....but yer not happy with that.People just want to keep on complaining. This thread hides under the guise that its scientific with scewed/misleading math.This thread in now way draws comparison between the HMG magazine size and the AR's Mag size. This is just the age old argument of HMG versus AR'S in every shooter..... Why cant my LMG have the same accuracy,range and weapon handling as the AR? because you have a larger magazine capacity thats why .....