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Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:46:00 -
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if you lose two tanks in a row during the same mission, odds are you are dealing with a dedicated AV swarm or Forgegunner.
At this point it is wiser to swap to dropsuits.
Kill count for the day: Heavy using assault forge
Mission 1:
gunnlogi x2
Saga x1
Soma x1
Mission 2:
madrugar
Assist on soma
mission 3:
Gunnlogi
Mission 4:
Smart saga driver, did not kill him, lost 200k ISK in tankhunting fits.
Mission 5:
Gunnlogi
Soma
This tells me people need to learn not to just rely on the repair modules when fighting and sitting there hoping to weather the storm. The number of militia AV in play has not changed, and once you get to a certain point, militia AV is a joke to cope with for vehicle operators.
but now you have jerks like me who are going dedicated vehicle killer. You can no longer afford to be lazy
Now the flip side to this: My Madrugar tank driving powers over the last 4 nights:
somewhere around 300 kills on individuals on foot, in LAVs and also I'm pretty good at jacking other tanks.
Lost 4 tanks.
then last night came around and ran into a dedicated swarm bandit in three games, and lost my tanks in two matches and in the third one the guy wouldn't stop chasing me around long enough to repair, so while he didn't get the warpoints, he neutralized an HAV on the field.
Tl;DR: don't be freaking lazy and think you get to LOLroll on the battlefield anymore in an HAV. people are getting smarter, and more skilled. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:51:00 -
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I've met tanks that I thought, I can take him I got AV gernades on my assaut and a nano hive! 6 hits couldn't kill him before I got shot down : (
damn you game balance!
good to know heavies can get the job done : ) Also unless I'm crazy it seems speed mods are crazy useful for tanks |
Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:55:00 -
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players like you are few and far between. But what is really terrible is when you lock down my alt's HAV and the blue dots won't get out of my damn tank and go be useful. (my alt is worse than useless on foot) |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:56:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:I've met tanks that I thought, I can take him I got AV gernades on my assaut and a nano hive! 6 hits couldn't kill him before I got shot down : (
damn you game balance!
good to know heavies can get the job done : ) Also unless I'm crazy it seems speed mods are crazy useful for tanks
they are, but not as useful as tracking modules. Making that ruttet turn faster has saved my tank alt's ass more times than I can count
heavies are phenomenal tankbusters. but assaults are also good at it. VERY good at it.
But to be clear, this is not a bragging post. I am making a point that you need to figure out tactical considerations to succeed in DUST. Using an AR is the definition of dumb to do AV.
Remember:
The very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over the same way every time and expecting a different result. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:12:00 -
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If i encounter a smart heavy with a forgegun i drive away and get a better position. Very good tank drivers are allmost impossible to take down. Cause when they spot decent AV they fall back. After all a gunnlogi is quite expensive to maintain. If you are dealing with a tank that has 2 infantry squad members as gunners its even harder to pull off a AV attack. Simply due to when the tank driver tells his squad mates to get off the tank and hunt the forgegunner. And we all know that a AV fit doesnt really stand a chance against infantry. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:00:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:If i encounter a smart heavy with a forgegun i drive away and get a better position. Very good tank drivers are almost impossible to take down. Cause when they spot decent AV they fall back. After all a gunnlogi is quite expensive to maintain. If you are dealing with a tank that has 2 infantry squad members as gunners its even harder to pull off a AV attack. Simply due to when the tank driver tells his squad mates to get off the tank and hunt the forgegunner. And we all know that a AV fit doesn't really stand a chance against infantry.
Agreed. Getting SOOOOO tired of hearing tankers cry "Militia forge guns do too much damage!" or "Swarms fly too far!", or my absolute favorite "AV grenades shouldn't home in!".
I mean, it's a freaking grenade that you are supposed to hit a moving (sometimes very RAPIDLY moving) target with, and if you plan to spam them you need a stationary target, not surrounded by infantry hunting you down, that DOESN'T see you before you can get within throwing range, all BEFORE you can ever throw a hive to start chucking grenades, and the homing range on them ISN'T that wide, especially on the expensive packed variants, you pretty much have to drop those right on top of what you are throwing at to get it to home in. If the tank or LAV driver (or low flying pilot) isn't smart enough or situationally aware enough to avoid these situations, it's not the AV nades fault. [/end rant]
Anyway.... good to see a popular tank pilot willing to defend AV, at least to an extent. +1 |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:21:00 -
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dont get me wrong swarm launchers are still broken simply cause they bend around corners making it impossible to dodge incoming swarms. This might not be so deadly against shield tanks but armor tanks getting ruined by this and dont get me startet what it does with LAV's which try to run away behind cover just to see that swarms bend around the conrner and hit them anyway. This mechanic is broken. It wasnt like that in the E3 build and i know it cause i played hide and seek with swarm launchers who tried to blow my LAV up. |
Vesta Ren
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:54:00 -
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Meh, i'm less scared of a dedicated forge gunner and more scared of moving near a drop uplink that spits out 10 militia AV fits, or my RDV crashing into someone else's disposable LAV drop off and crashing. Btw to any and all LAV drivers, stop driving into me, it doesn't end well for either of us. |
J Lav
Lost-Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.02 00:07:00 -
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The right decision is to have teammates who support your tank. Repairing it, and taking out the guys who get close, or sniping the heavy with the forgegun. If all your support dies, or runs away, you're screwed, then you run. But come back shooting.
As it is though, I do think there's too much availability to AV. There should be some skill required to take down tanks. As it is, it's pretty accessible to anyone to do significant damage to one. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.02 01:25:00 -
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Militia guns are a joke. winning with them is.dependent on dumbass tank driverz.
and Baal im not popular, merely loud and harx to ignore.  |
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Landari Zeta
Exit Wound Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.02 01:33:00 -
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Just went 34/0 with a Gunloggi. Half of the people you killed prob don't even have hardeners on their tanks. If anybody played eve
Passive Tank > Active Tank |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2013.02.02 01:34:00 -
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Ehhh if you kill me, I normally drop another one because, why not that's what I do |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.02 01:42:00 -
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Eh ermmmm, Breaking stuff, I tell you sir,
[insert troll here]
I got nothin' |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.02.02 01:58:00 -
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You didn't get my tank, better luck next time :) |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:19:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:You didn't get my tank, better luck next time :)
Next time Ill be hunting you with an ishukone assault forge. been saving my sp and iskiez. |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:28:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:You didn't get my tank, better luck next time :) Next time Ill be hunting you with an ishukone assault forge. been saving my sp and iskiez.
Forge gun doesn't beat armor tank, you have better luck with swarms and av nades. Just friendly advice |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:30:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:You didn't get my tank, better luck next time :) Next time Ill be hunting you with an ishukone assault forge. been saving my sp and iskiez. Forge gun doesn't beat armor tank, you have better luck with swarms and av nades. Just friendly advice
should of charged him for that yo
make him buy ur book cant be giving out free advice :P |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:32:00 -
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Forge cuts armor and shields at exactly the same efficiency. |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:32:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:You didn't get my tank, better luck next time :) Next time Ill be hunting you with an ishukone assault forge. been saving my sp and iskiez. Forge gun doesn't beat armor tank, you have better luck with swarms and av nades. Just friendly advice should of charged him for that yo make him buy ur book cant be giving out free advice :P
The offer still stands mavado, lessons if YOU buy my book :P |
Mr Zitro
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:35:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Forge cuts armor and shields at exactly the same efficiency.
And that's equals? My EHP is almost double a shield tank so that means you have to shoot twice as much |
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Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:37:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Forge cuts armor and shields at exactly the same efficiency. And that's equals? My EHP is almost double a shield tank so that means you have to shoot twice as much
Good thing im using an assault then huh? Must faster to shoot. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:40:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Forge cuts armor and shields at exactly the same efficiency. And that's equals? My EHP is almost double a shield tank so that means you have to shoot twice as much Good thing im using an assault then huh? Must faster to shoot.
Finally a troll!
(correction) Much faster to shoot.
We haven't trolled each other in to long, Hugs. xoxoxox |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:41:00 -
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Ok we got off track stroking epeen. zitro make yourself useful and essplain to people how not to be lemming tankers. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:44:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:You didn't get my tank, better luck next time :) Next time Ill be hunting you with an ishukone assault forge. been saving my sp and iskiez. Forge gun doesn't beat armor tank, you have better luck with swarms and av nades. Just friendly advice should of charged him for that yo make him buy ur book cant be giving out free advice :P The offer still stands mavado, lessons if YOU buy my book :P
doin fine atm ill let u know if i get stumped on how to fit my madrugar
goin rate is what again? 100K ISK for me? :P |
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