So Friendly Fire is finally coming to Dust. It's not something we should be concerned about.

Note that the exact way it is introduced has not been outlined yet, AFAIK. I hope it will be always on, but it might be on in Corp battles and nullsec only. Any WP/SP/ISK penalties (if any) has not been released, either, and I'd prefer to keep that discussion on another thread.

Here why we should welcome FF:

• Friendly Fire promotes more deliberate gameplay, and discourages spray-and-pray since you can't shoot everything that moves
• You will not get TKd all the time. I only play FF modes in FPSs, and I suffer a non-accidental TK perhaps every ten game sessions, and see them rarely
• Griefing happens. CCP might include Vote-To-Kick, which is in most FPSs. I'm ambivalent; it does help dealing with dicks, although is wide open to abuse by organized squads and corps VTKing people they don't like or if they want to make room for corpmates. VTK also doesn't fit EVE universe.
• Accidents happen to you and your teammates. L2P and HTFU; or better yet, laugh about it. Some of the funniest FPS memories I have are of TKs. Like that one time in TO:AOT I threw a grenade which bounced off a ceiling beam right in the middle of my team following me, killing four of them. I didn't even get votekicked, everyone was laughing so hard - this is on pub. Or that other time a teammate popped their head right in the center of my sights as I squeezed the trigger on my sniper rifle. Pop goes the head. Good times.
• TK is a perfectly valid and necessary tactic for corp spies, infiltrators, and assassins. In fact, it will allow for whole new avenues for gameplay we haven't seen in FPSs if CCP has the balls to introduce such contracts.
• TK is a perfectly valid way to deal with AFKers in some games. Not sure if there's a use for it in Dust since you have unlimited spawns and don't get dropped if you don't spawn since you're AFK.
• And the most important lesson from my EVE days: if you can't afford to lose it, don't use it. It being a dropsuit or gear.

I get the feeling friendly fire will actually help solve the issue of mass driver spamming and grenade spamming.

If one can't take the heat one should stay out of the fire. But knowing that there are fewer and fewer players with the maturity to accept their losses and move on... Make their game a living hell by organizing the community against them. If you're getting repeatedly TKed but insist on continuing to bring out the most expensive gear, then you deserve to loose it. But then if you're getting continuously TKed, I doubt it's only one person hunting you. Who did you pi$$ off to be so afraid of FF?

It's funny how every the carebears come in and start spreading the same FUD about griefing in every FPS forum. Yet I've never played an FPS which is ruined by FF - and every single FF mode is better then the one without. Us pro-FF players are not griefers, and there are plenty of reasons to desire FF as listed in the OP, and in numerous follow-ups by me and others.

No I haven't played BF3. I'm saying that if you're getting trolled and you keep bringing out the good gear while being trolled, then though you're having an unpleasant experience, it's still a problem between you and the troll. If FF comes in and I get trolled, I'll most likely shoot back and keep them in mind as a target for the rest of the match.

So what it comes down to is that you want to ruin the fun of those who want FF and a game that breaks away from the common ones in favor of keeping it fun for carebears and in line with other carebear friendly FPS games. That is your ultimate position right? It doesn't matter what direction it goes, there will always be jerks and someone's fun will always be runine, Can't be avoided.

i'm going to interject here.

First off the stuff you're complaining about, FF in pub matches? most people will be running militia or basic suits, say around 30000 isk at most, you get TK'ed well there goes 30000 isk, but even the worst players are earning 100k isk per match, and decent players at least 300k, so the argument about loss of isk doesn't really hold weight, you can earn back that money quite quickly. Now if i lost a proto fit to FF i would be pissed, but the only time you're gonna see proto suit's is corp battles, which brings me to my second point.

Corp battles are the biggest reason there is to implement FF, the number of options it offer corp's to screw with each other in the middle of fights is huge and is true New Eden style. if you're losing huge amounts of isk to a couple of well placed traitors, well that's crap for your team, and a huge advantage to your enemies. FF in this situation would mean that Dust is a proper part of the EVE universe and grants corp's a range of options you don't see in a normal FPS which is one of the biggest draws of Dust, it's different and everything you do has some form of impact no matter how small.

And thirdly would you please tell me what FF enabled game's you have played, how long you have played them, and how many times you have been TK'ed in that time. Because i personally have been playing hardcore battlefield for 5 years now and have only been maliciously TK about 6 times