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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:31:00 -
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Swansea Remixed wrote:Is there any point to playing in a scout dropsuit if you aren't keen on sniping? What are the advantages/drawbacks? What would you use as a weapon instead?
Yes. This game is mostly about speed. Many people aim with strafe (it's more accurate), so the additional speed gives you a huge aiming advantage. The assault scout (using an assault rifle) is extremely strong.
I'd leave the profile dampening and shotguns to noobs. You can play scout similarly to assault if you're a strong player.
Don't listen to the n00bs.
edit: I saw some n00b suggest type-II scout suit, the armor variant. This is bad. If you use this, you are bad too. |
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:52:00 -
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Swansea Starbury wrote:Why? What makes it for noobs?
I've made a number of posts here and there about them. Here's a link to one ^_^. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=514959
I'll post a quick bit here too. I see shotguns as a no skill weapon of chance. Everything n00bs have said about shotguns applies to almost every weapon. Use cover, try to flank, cap objectives? Who doesn't do that?
So it comes down to utility. Shotguns are only useful at a range of five to ten meters. Within that range, they can one shot most players. That's it. That's the only thing they can do. If you can sneak up on someone and shoot him while he's not paying attention, you can kill him with almost every weapon and don't need a shotgun to do it. If you run at someone with a shotgun, he'll just shoot you in your face.
The majority of a shotgun n00b's kills come from:
- people spawning in front of him in ambush (if you have done ambush, you'll understand)
- sneaking up on players who aren't paying any attention
- someone running around the wrong corner into the barrel of your gun
Some people complain about getting one or two shot by pistols just like a shotgun. The difference is that to do that a pistol needs to land a head shot, and with the spread of the pistol you need to aim down sights to do it all the time. I have a pistol-only alt, but IMO getting a head shot to kill someone requires a bit more skill than just hitting them anywhere at close range. Fortunately pistols have a range that is slightly longer than that of a shotgun's, so I can regularly drop n00b shotgunners with my pistol, and LOL at them for being so bad.
Shotguns are for vehicle operators who have no skills in anything related to infantry and need to kill Heavies at close range. Shotguns are also for people who can't get kills with any other weapon- ie they need a weapon of chance at close range because they cannot aim. |
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:58:00 -
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If you can strafe and aim, you'll get far more kills going scout with an assault rifle than you would a shotgun. You'll also be much more useful to your team.
I forgot to mention that pistols are outclassed by assault rifles in almost every way. I just use them because I find it more challenging than a spammy-the-clown AR. As you can see, I use pistols as a "fun" weapon that I'd never use as a primary in a serious battle, but I believe pistols are significantly better than a shotgun. This puts the usefulness of a shotgun scout at dead last.
Shotguns are worse than a weapon that's a sidearm. -_-
edit: I'll eventually make a pistol scout guide. Hopefully it'll fix some of the n00bness that's been going around lately. There are some good posts about how to use an assault class, but you're right, there's not much on how to use a scout on the ground. |
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:01:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Type-II scout suit
type-2 scout is armor, type-1 is shield? If not, then I'm the noob lol.
The advantage to scout is mobility. Armor reduces movement speed. If you're not going for speed and want more tank, go logi. It can be faster than assault. |
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:09:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:0 Try Harder wrote:
edit: I saw some n00b suggest type-II scout suit, the armor variant. This is bad. If you use this, you are bad too.
Please tell me why, I've been running the Type-II scout suit for two months now and I've consistently done well with it, using the loadout I have already posted in this thread. So please, enlighten me more on how my suit is horrible aside a vague statement that I'm apparently a noob.
Maybe it was a little harsh, but I like the way it sounds ^_^
How about if you use this, you are gimping yourself and not taking advantage of the class you play. If you do not take advantage of the class you play, you should find one that better fits your style of play. |
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:17:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:I'm not running the type-II to get more armor, I run it for the two equipment slots. As I explained earlier, I run with a combination of specialist shotgun(call it noobish or not, I don't care), remote explosives and drop uplinks to make a great objective oriented scout shotgunner.
To each his own I guess. Personally, if I wanted a suit that's slower than type-I scout because I want to use equipment, I'd use the fast logistics suit. More equipment slots, more HP, and it's faster than an assault dropsuit.
I like optimization. If I want to do a role, I want to be the best I can be at it. I wouldn't want to run a scout suit which is better suited for a different role than equipment/tank. To me it just seems like those guys who use assault rifles and shotguns on heavy suits @.@ |
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:06:00 -
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Ok, so I guess I was wrong here >.>
The Scout Suit Type-II is apparently not too bad at all with an AR. The AR can get rid of people, and some good armor reps can heal up any damage you take. It has more hp than type-I so you won't die as quickly, and an additional proto slot. The scout type-I style only gets two equipment slots at the proto level.
But type-II scout can be good. Basically there are situations where type-I style is better than type-II, and vice versa, so the best thing to do is make setups for both :P.
um yah, sorry. Thought I should correct that. I basically always run shields > armor, but some can make the armor type work.
Shotgun scout is still worse than pistol, ar, or almost any other weapon. :P |
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