DUST Search - The correct way of balancing.

All Channels

General Discussions

The correct way of balancing.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 165	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:24:00 - [1] - Quote The correct way of balancing is not through bringing all things to the same mediocre level, but by dividing them strongly into competing each at their own things. Heavies play the heavies' game, snipers play the snipers' game etc. After classes have been differentiated enough, balance is achieved by dividing maps into "heavy" places, sniper fields, scout ranges etc. If something is excelling in another setup's field, balance it by further differentiating the specialized minigame. Example: The heavies' niche is high durability. The assaults role is jack of all trades. A shield heavy with an assault rifle is VERY potential in the assaults frontline role. This is as it should be. A heavy should always out tank an assault, because it is his inherent niche. Instead of focusing into the issue of heavies, or suppressing fire weapons, we should look at the real issue which is lack of differentiation in the assault class. The assault needs meaningful speed advantage to compete with wannabe assault heavies in the shifting frontline role. So, differentiate assaults by raising the base speed to scout level, which is meaningfully different from heavies. Next, raise scout speed by the same amount to once again make a meaningful difference. Et voila, heavies still excel in tight maps, assaults have an edge over shield heavies in their bread and butter task, scouts are less vulnerable to snipers by getting over the field faster. Differentiation creates options, equalisation narrows them down.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:35:00 - [2] - Quote sounds to me heavies are the only decent suit. an assault heavy will blow the crap out of a assault suit and any other that comes near him. snipers are in a class by themselves because any suit can be a sniper. there really is no roll for scouts at the moment sadly. they have only a very small bit of movement over the assault suits and with some stamina skills the assault suit is pretty much the same as a scout suit in terms with stamina. with 33% less health makes them very unfavorable in CQC. one shot gun shell they are dead a quarter of a magazine they are dead. a heavy can eat an entire magazine of an AR and still survive giving him the time to turn and mow you down with his HMG while you are reloading. the heavy is slower and can't bunny hop their way to safety like the other suits and it has health to compensate. a lot of health. assault suits are balanced in every area while scout suits are left in the dust in all fields and only get a very small boost in speed to differentiate the two. maybe if the profile skill had some gap that made it matter and not all about placement it would give them a little bit of a purpose.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 431	Posted - 2013.01.30 19:37:00 - [3] - Quote All I can say is thanks for getting the actual point across in words and that this game is not finished so definitive strengths and roles aren't completely apparent as of now.
Felix Lekhner2 Doomheim 15	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:03:00 - [4] - Quote that's why i said the highest damage class should be the sniper rifles. heavies can stay the highest armor, but the combo of highest damage and armor is not a smart idea.
Volgair Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 200	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:05:00 - [5] - Quote You wont hear me disagree. -Scouts need to be faster (7.4 base and 10.1 sprint just like they were back in September, only this time round with a fully functioning hit box) -Heavies need increased and scaling EHP with their drop suit levels -Logistics need more EHP to more efficiently fill the roll of an effective force multiplier. -Assault are pretty much good. -LAV base line "assault" models (Saga and Methana need more PG/CPU) -Drop Ship need more EHP base, CPU/PG. as well as the ability to get a portion of the WP of people that drop from them (for say 2 minutes.) WP's for remote rep's. Lets face it they are fugging pointless right now.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:06:00 - [6] - Quote Felix Lekhner2 wrote: that's why i said the highest damage class should be the sniper rifles. heavies can stay the highest armor, but the combo of highest damage and armor is not a smart idea. nothing like a heavy sniper ruining your day. he has to take more than 1 headshot to go down while sits up on his mountain one shotting scout snipers with body shots.
Drado Arona Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote Felix Lekhner2 wrote: that's why i said the highest damage class should be the sniper rifles. heavies can stay the highest armor, but the combo of highest damage and armor is not a smart idea. >MFW my sniper friend kills heavies in 2 hits >MFW he can one shot anything else >MFW heavies need to hit my LOGI suit TWICE to kill me when sniper kills me in 1 Also, why does everyone always forget about the logi suit :( I love this bloody suit!
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:13:00 - [8] - Quote Drado Arona wrote: Also, why does everyone always forget about the logi suit :( I love this bloody suit! because they fill their roll. they should be an assault suit with no side arm and extra equipment slots.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:15:00 - [9] - Quote I think speed and stamina should be the secondary advantages of a SCOUT. SCOUTs should be focused more on scanning and profile stats.
Drado Arona Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:16:00 - [10] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: Drado Arona wrote: Also, why does everyone always forget about the logi suit :( I love this bloody suit! because they fill their roll. they should be an assault suit with no side arm and extra equipment slots. Fine, then give me shield reppers already.

Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:18:00 - [11] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I think speed and stamina should be the secondary advantages of a SCOUT. SCOUTs should be focused more on scanning and profile stats. shame it doesn't work. right now it's all about placement with only a 90 degree of area is covered by the scanners and the scanners only go so far. making placement more important. you can sneak behind enemy lines with a logi suit without any trouble.
56 truth Algintal Core Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2013.01.30 20:21:00 - [12] - Quote http://extra-credits.net/episodes/so-you-want-to-be-a-game-designer/ http://extra-credits.net/episodes/counter-play/ http://extra-credits.net/episodes/balancing-for-skill/ http://extra-credits.net/episodes/power-creep/ http://extra-credits.net/episodes/perfect-imbalance/ http://extra-credits.net/episodes/tutorials-101/ http://extra-credits.net/episodes/playing-like-a-designer-part-1/ http://extra-credits.net/episodes/playing-like-a-designer-part-2/ http://extra-credits.net/episodes/playtesting/ dont mind me im just giving my meta two cents
Vaerana Myshtana ScIdama Endless Renaissance 203	Posted - 2013.01.30 23:31:00 - [13] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: there really is no roll for scouts at the moment sadly. they have only a very small bit of movement over the assault suits and with some stamina skills the assault suit is pretty much the same as a scout suit in terms with stamina. with 33% less health makes them very unfavorable in CQC. one shot gun shell they are dead a quarter of a magazine they are dead. a heavy can eat an entire magazine of an AR and still survive giving him the time to turn and mow you down with his HMG while you are reloading. Sneaky... We are sneaky. I can see you through walls from a lot farther away than you can see me. Pew! Pew! Dead clone. Sneaky... Drop Uplink in hidey-hole. "Why are there reds suddenly all over Alpha?" Sneaky... Hacking turret. "WTF? I just got blasted by the turret next to our CRU!" Sneaky...
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.30 23:41:00 - [14] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Sneaky... We are sneaky. I can see you through walls from a lot farther away than you can see me. Pew! Pew! Dead clone. Sneaky... Drop Uplink in hidey-hole. "Why are there reds suddenly all over Alpha?" Sneaky... Hacking turret. "WTF? I just got blasted by the turret next to our CRU!" Sneaky... i can do the same with an assault suit. they aren't special in any way. if i am close enough i will see you through the wall, the scanners are broken and don't effect gameplay in any significant way. also a heavy can walk up behind you and not be seen at all because your scanning range is only a small cone. you see nothing behind you. which puts more emphasis on position, if you see that there are a ton of red dots in an area and you know where the snipers are, you can walk right behind the targets and get the CRU with any suit. as far as i know they didn't change it from last build, i didn't see any notes that said other wise. i had maxed out my dampening skills with 2 modules and i had no trouble doing the same with a suit without the 2 modules on a higher class of suit. if someone looks at you you still light up on the radar no matter what your skills or suit are.


Pages: 1 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online/DUST514, the EVE/DUST514 logo, EVE/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to OMG Labs to use EVE Online/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, OMG Labs. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.