DUST Search - Blueberry Pie

Potato McGee wrote:

Vyzion Eyri wrote:

Potato McGee wrote:

Is that the sort of community you are hoping to foster? That of elitist scumbags [and the majority who are currently unskilled and insulted like kitten instead of given assistance].

Forgive me for shortening your tirade into a manageable quote but I believe this is the gist of what you're saying.

Now, if you would widen your view for a moment.

What you're saying is that there should be no hierarchy.

Hierarchy is human nature. There will always, always be a top, possibly middle, and undoubtedly, bottom. There will always be those living off the misery of others.

To that extent, you're asking us to change what fundamentally defines us as a race.

Good luck.

That's quite the nihilistic view. I'm certainly not saying that there shouldn't be a hierarchy or that you shouldn't carry yourselves as, 'those who have come before.' I'm simply stating that being offensively brutal to the new players will fundamentally ruin your game. This isn't Eve; the FPS is not synonymous with roleplay. The very nature of lording over others in this particular genre is not welcome. The learning curve is steep enough without an additional community blockade against those who don't quite know what they're doing yet. Yes, you have to decide as a community what sort of players you are willing to welcome and which sort you are going to boot to the curb -- However, all the while keeping in mind that if you boot too many, your game will simply not grow. You'll end up in virtual ************ against the same top five corps/teams in every single match until Dust collapses on itself and the servers shut down. If people do not have -fun- they are not going to come back. Perhaps you are Ok with this, and if so... well, I don't know that I have anything else to offer on the topic. I'm making the case that this crying over new players ruining your precious game is a moot point, and that if you want new players to quit being ******** you will need to guide them. Not everyone immediately searches for the forums of a game - Most certainly not the average FPSer.

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Potato McGee WarRavens 6	Posted - 2013.01.30 10:00:00 - [1] - Quote It's quite amusing watching a large majority of this playerbase whine and moan about blueberries or dingleberries or noob this and that. I mean, we've all been there, so it's funny right? "Crazy newb came at me with a swarm launcher on my sniper and I shot him in the face lolz." I've been playing Dust for all of three days now - I don't profess to know literally anything. However, for all the cry-harding I've witnessed on the boards in the week I was stalking before I started playing and up to now, I can say with firm confidence that nearly zero percent of you are actually helping to alleviate this 'Blueberry Pie,' problem you're so intent on complaining about. I searched out the answer to nearly every question I had on my own, because the in-game community simply wasn't there to help. Asking a question on Local or Corp was generally meant with silence or the occasional troll rambling; I can count on a single hand the number of times somebody actually met me with genuine help or guidance. (Though, each time they -were- incredibly helpful and patient.) Is that the sort of community you are hoping to foster? That of elitist scumbags so caught up in the fact that they've been playing since closed beta that instead of helping a new player learn how to be a better teammate, they whinge about how 'blueberries be blueberries,' and they 'be stealing mah wpz.' or talk smack about people should have purchased the Merc Pack so screw them if they have problems getting started. While I can certainly understand that some people will simply never understand that they might consider waiting to respawn in order to catch a revive, or that just perhaps running around the game equipped with a heavy dropsuit and a pistol might not be the best stratagem, they are in the minority. The vast majority are in fact new to semi-skilled FPS players who picked up a free beta because the game intrigued them and they simply don't grasp the details... *yet.* I mean, how many games like this have come out before? The closest I can think of off-hand is Planetside, and that's still home to only a unique niche of gamer. The Point is, yes, be proud that you've been a part of this game since it was illegal to talk about outside of this community. Hold your heads high that you enabled something so progressive to take hold and flourish. However, now is the time to recognize that the doors have been unlocked, the beta is open, and you are about to be met with people by the thousands every bit as clueless as you were when you just started playing months ago. Instead of ostracizing and mocking them as foolish, thus creating a terrible community barrier in a game that quite frankly already possesses a rather steep learning curve to anyone not already familiar with Eve, perhaps you should consider patience and teaching. Talk to your team, answer questions in the chat, let them know exactly why what they are doing is frustrating or not conducive to skilled play. Maybe if you plant the seeds of information, you'll have fewer matches where the artificer runs around crying because they don't know how to select or use their nanite injector. This forum is a beautiful information source, you are all amazing, but you need to bring all of this to the game itself if you want to see a large player group of skilled individuals to play with and against. So from a Blueberry to all the Pros, give us a chance. Help. You just might see a world of difference.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 285	Posted - 2013.01.30 10:13:00 - [2] - Quote Good post man, some people do get carried away with the status quo, and will hold on to 5 min of fame and try to stretch it out a life time. If you ever need any help, i will try to do the best I can, and if I am not able, I will find someone who can. Add Subdreddit on the comms tab, there is usually plenty of people on comms that will gladly help.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 50	Posted - 2013.01.30 10:22:00 - [3] - Quote On a side note, blueberries were blueberries before open beta.
Potato McGee WarRavens 6	Posted - 2013.01.30 10:30:00 - [4] - Quote While I'm sure that's true, most of the discussion is never about those douchebags not on your squad, it's about all the effin' noobs.
Razekial Flameclaw ZionTCD Legacy Rising 19	Posted - 2013.01.30 10:40:00 - [5] - Quote Well said, that said a large proportion of people will never visit the forums for help or even ask for it. Its rather hard to respond to help requests in game - especially when you lack a keyboard for typing.
Agent of Gallente Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.01.30 11:34:00 - [6] - Quote Agreed, Well said its all these elitest egoberries lol that are putting us NEW GUYS off from asking for help and tips.
Potato McGee WarRavens 6	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:26:00 - [7] - Quote Razekial Flameclaw wrote: Well said, that said a large proportion of people will never visit the forums for help or even ask for it. Its rather hard to respond to help requests in game - especially when you lack a keyboard for typing. While that's true and it does take a bit of extra effort to respond with the PS3 soft keyboard, the means is still there. Is that the reason why it's so quiet all of the time?
Razekial Flameclaw ZionTCD Legacy Rising 19	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:29:00 - [8] - Quote its certainly a consideration, I know I hate writing on the soft keyboard - I got a keypad for the XBox for this reason
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:34:00 - [9] - Quote Razekial Flameclaw wrote: its certainly a consideration, I know I hate writing on the soft keyboard - I got a keypad for the XBox for this reason Any usb keyboard will work. Much more usable.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion 155	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:35:00 - [10] - Quote Potato McGee wrote: Is that the sort of community you are hoping to foster? That of elitist scumbags [and the majority who are currently unskilled and insulted like kitten instead of given assistance]. Forgive me for shortening your tirade into a manageable quote but I believe this is the gist of what you're saying. Now, if you would widen your view for a moment. What you're saying is that there should be no hierarchy. Hierarchy is human nature. There will always, always be a top, possibly middle, and undoubtedly, bottom. There will always be those living off the misery of others. To that extent, you're asking us to change what fundamentally defines us as a race. Good luck.

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:40:00 - [11] - Quote Potato McGee wrote: Razekial Flameclaw wrote: Well said, that said a large proportion of people will never visit the forums for help or even ask for it. Its rather hard to respond to help requests in game - especially when you lack a keyboard for typing. While that's true and it does take a bit of extra effort to respond with the PS3 soft keyboard, the means is still there. Is that the reason why it's so quiet all of the time? You mean local? Most folks are either in a game and thus typing on a keyboard is a most times a reliable way to visit a respawn vat. Or they are typing or voiceing on Corporate Channels and NOT Local. L.O.T.I.S recruitment and we do try to help with questions from new folks. However that being said a few days ago a new to the game person goes out to melee a tank then dies and I say thats not a good idea and the person on my squad goes and does it several times more with the result of dying each time and I tell them that AV grenades, forge guns or swarms are better. Then I get yelled at by this person telling me that it works that way in Call of Duty so then I sigh and just turned off the mic for the entire day. We do try to help new folks and we are easy going. Hope that helps??
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:43:00 - [12] - Quote is this like your first FPS or something? what FPS has some warm fuzzy community that all holds hands singing koom by ya? perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin.. i am truly sorry about your experience with local chat which is my reason for this post here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=490387#post490387
Potato McGee WarRavens 6	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:48:00 - [13] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Potato McGee wrote: Is that the sort of community you are hoping to foster? That of elitist scumbags [and the majority who are currently unskilled and insulted like kitten instead of given assistance]. Forgive me for shortening your tirade into a manageable quote but I believe this is the gist of what you're saying. Now, if you would widen your view for a moment. What you're saying is that there should be no hierarchy. Hierarchy is human nature. There will always, always be a top, possibly middle, and undoubtedly, bottom. There will always be those living off the misery of others. To that extent, you're asking us to change what fundamentally defines us as a race. Good luck. That's quite the nihilistic view. I'm certainly not saying that there shouldn't be a hierarchy or that you shouldn't carry yourselves as, 'those who have come before.' I'm simply stating that being offensively brutal to the new players will fundamentally ruin your game. This isn't Eve; the FPS is not synonymous with roleplay. The very nature of lording over others in this particular genre is not welcome. The learning curve is steep enough without an additional community blockade against those who don't quite know what they're doing yet. Yes, you have to decide as a community what sort of players you are willing to welcome and which sort you are going to boot to the curb -- However, all the while keeping in mind that if you boot too many, your game will simply not grow. You'll end up virtually jerking off against the same top five corps/teams in every single match until Dust collapses on itself and the servers shut down. If people do not have -fun- they are not going to come back. Perhaps you are Ok with this, and if so... well, I don't know that I have anything else to offer on the topic. I'm making the case that this crying over new players ruining your precious game is a moot point, and that if you want new players to quit being all derpy you will need to guide them. Not everyone immediately searches for the forums of a game - Most certainly not the average FPSer.
Potato McGee WarRavens 6	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:50:00 - [14] - Quote Sobriety Denied wrote: is this like your first FPS or something? what FPS has some warm fuzzy community that all holds hands singing koom by ya? perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin.. i am truly sorry about your experience with local chat which is my reason for this post here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=490387#post490387 Heh, that was actually pretty funny.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.01.30 12:51:00 - [15] - Quote Potato McGee wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Potato McGee wrote: Is that the sort of community you are hoping to foster? That of elitist scumbags [and the majority who are currently unskilled and insulted like kitten instead of given assistance]. Forgive me for shortening your tirade into a manageable quote but I believe this is the gist of what you're saying. Now, if you would widen your view for a moment. What you're saying is that there should be no hierarchy. Hierarchy is human nature. There will always, always be a top, possibly middle, and undoubtedly, bottom. There will always be those living off the misery of others. To that extent, you're asking us to change what fundamentally defines us as a race. Good luck. That's quite the nihilistic view. I'm certainly not saying that there shouldn't be a hierarchy or that you shouldn't carry yourselves as, 'those who have come before.' I'm simply stating that being offensively brutal to the new players will fundamentally ruin your game. This isn't Eve; the FPS is not synonymous with roleplay. The very nature of lording over others in this particular genre is not welcome. The learning curve is steep enough without an additional community blockade against those who don't quite know what they're doing yet. Yes, you have to decide as a community what sort of players you are willing to welcome and which sort you are going to boot to the curb -- However, all the while keeping in mind that if you boot too many, your game will simply not grow. You'll end up in virtual ********** against the same top five corps/teams in every single match until Dust collapses on itself and the servers shut down. If people do not have -fun- they are not going to come back. Perhaps you are Ok with this, and if so... well, I don't know that I have anything else to offer on the topic. I'm making the case that this crying over new players ruining your precious game is a moot point, and that if you want new players to quit being ****** you will need to guide them. Not everyone immediately searches for the forums of a game - Most certainly not the average FPSer. well if you want help you can always humble yourself to ask for it rather than standing off to the community and yeah you'r right in your assumption that a large potion of the community is fairly retaarded but it's an FPS game so that should be a given to someone who hints of so much FPS experience
Potato McGee WarRavens 6	Posted - 2013.01.30 13:00:00 - [16] - Quote I'm clearing the air before much more misinterpretation enters this discussion - I'm not personally complaining. I sought help, found it, and have carried on with my day. I'm not butthurt or lolmad or confused about this type of game - If I was, I wouldn't be trying to offer this discourse on the topic, I'd be lolmadcrying all over chat and telling people never to play this game. I'm also not trying to say that I'm some expert who knows more than all of you. The only thing I was trying to bring to light is that there is a very apparent bias against new players to the game, one that most Betas seem to go through, and it is inherently toxic to the overall playerbase. Realizing this and taking steps against it before it degenerates into something like Dota/LoL or COD ragerfests will just prove to be the most beneficial to the game. If somebody is going all derp, tell them why they're a total derp and -help them out- if you're so upset. Or, I guess, cry on forums all day about noobs and act like that's going to fix anything.
axis alpha Red Star. 30	Posted - 2013.01.30 13:18:00 - [17] - Quote A peice of advice. As far as seeking help and not receiving it. When it comes down to the nitty griddy, its everyman for him or her self noones gonna share absolutly everything they know even with their corp mates. If its help you seek.good luck because that help couldbe your.down fall. Its one thing I've learned you can't trust everything you hear even when someone is helping. I've been around the block I've sat on these forums figured corps out figured out mercs. If you really want help contact me.
polarzus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 19	Posted - 2013.01.30 13:30:00 - [18] - Quote axis alpha wrote: If its help you seek.good luck because that help couldbe your.down fall. Its one thing I've learned you can't trust everything you hear even when someone is helping. Welcome to New Eden! I don't think that all the closed beta (me included) guys ar arrogant or something. But is it really so difficult to search on google or inside this forum to get your answers? is it so difficult to answer in team- / squadchat if you're new and if yes, switch over squad lead so you can teach something? I never get an answer of the newberries. When I started playing Dust, i read through this forum, I was always treated in a nice and helpful way. Then I joined ZionTCD and guess what, inside a coorp there are even more cool guys which will give you advice. The real problem is that most of the newberries enter the game and start complaining about everything. Lasers ar OP, heavies ar OP, AR are too weak / strong and so on... Come on, all players started with nothing. So stop complaining, start playing. And if you're not an absolutely douchebag you'll find a coorp and the game gets funnier and more interesting by every hour you spend within Dust.
Tekk Wolf Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.01.30 13:30:00 - [19] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Potato McGee wrote: Is that the sort of community you are hoping to foster? That of elitist scumbags [and the majority who are currently unskilled and insulted like kitten instead of given assistance]. Forgive me for shortening your tirade into a manageable quote but I believe this is the gist of what you're saying. Now, if you would widen your view for a moment. What you're saying is that there should be no hierarchy. Hierarchy is human nature. There will always, always be a top, possibly middle, and undoubtedly, bottom. There will always be those living off the misery of others. To that extent, you're asking us to change what fundamentally defines us as a race. Good luck. Don't be so melodramatic. What he's saying is don't be a dck. If you egoberries; (LOVE it), acted the way you do in real life you'd get the sht kicked out of you. So don't tell me asking for a few social skills will "change what fundamentally defines us as a race." That's the most asinine thing I've heard yet. But no, ego berries enjoy complaining about noobs because it makes them feel better about themselves. This game isn't complicated, but there are a lot of undocumented mechanics that simple answers could make life easier on the new guys.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.01.30 13:30:00 - [20] - Quote Potato McGee wrote: I'm clearing the air before much more misinterpretation enters this discussion - I'm not personally complaining. I sought help, found it, and have carried on with my day. I'm not butthurt or lolmad or confused about this type of game - If I was, I wouldn't be trying to offer this discourse on the topic, I'd be lolmadcrying all over chat and telling people never to play this game. I'm also not trying to say that I'm some expert who knows more than all of you. The only thing I was trying to bring to light is that there is a very apparent bias against new players to the game, one that most Betas seem to go through, and it is inherently toxic to the overall playerbase. Realizing this and taking steps against it before it degenerates into something like Dota/LoL or COD ragerfests will just prove to be the most beneficial to the game. If somebody is going all derp, tell them why they're a total derp and -help them out- if you're so upset. Or, I guess, cry on forums all day about noobs and act like that's going to fix anything. it's because blueberries are a scape goat it's easier for ppl to blame them than admit to any fault of their own

3 bird DUST University Ivy League 86	Posted - 2013.01.30 14:20:00 - [21] - Quote I do try to help out in local but when you spend 3-4 hours typing with the controller.... my thumbs hurt like hell, so until I can pick up a usb keyboard iv abandoned local in favour of the forums. That will be changing shortly though ^_^
Vaerana Myshtana ScIdama Endless Renaissance 203	Posted - 2013.01.30 14:38:00 - [22] - Quote I have to admit, I rarely do local chat because I hate the typing interface and I don't play with a KBM. I'm usually more able to help through voice chat or on the forums. That said, the "Egoberries" (point to your side for the term) ARE a huge problem- even for those who were in Closed Beta. There's not much we can do about people who believe they are the Amarr God's gift to Dust and want the rest of us to admire their electronic ahem "manhood". While many of them are very good with a particular play style, they are quick to QQ about anything that counters it effectively. Unfortunately, these sorts of folks are not particularly valuable to any game except as a source of cash and a constant reminder to stay on your toes. On the other hand, I hope that at least some of us non-egoberries are trying to be helpful on occasion. I know that Dust University [Ivy League] is a whole corp dedicated to being helpful. Their EVE side has a very good reputation, so I'm pretty sure the Dust side is good, too.


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