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Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:55:00 -
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I've been thinking..... wait what? never-mind.... I hear all the time of EVE corporations having practically limitless funding and that they could "buy out all the mercenary corps of dust" if they so pleased. Well when things go on their way why don't we all agree that's just what we will do. If the EVE side wants DUST help and they could just buy us out if they wanted well then all DUST corps should pass up contracts until they surpass some respectable ISK number EVE side. Maybe 10 billion ISK a contract?
Seems they laugh at our "expensive" tanks at 1.8+ mil ISK and I just cant help but think of us DUSTers as Dr. Evil asking for one million dollars as the EVE guys sit there giggling.
So we put aside what makes sense DUST wise and start charging them, when the time comes, EVE amounts of billions of ISK for a single contract.
- Average for all characters: 588tn ISK / 8.17 mil = 72 million ISK
- Average for characters on active accounts: 372tn ISK / 745,000 = 499 million ISK
- Average for 200 richest: 588tn ISK * 0.0598 / 200 = 176 billion ISK
- Average for 100 richest: 588tn ISK * 0.0413 / 100 = 243 billion ISK
- Average for 50 richest: 588tn ISK * 0.0282 / 50 = 332 billion ISK
- Average for 51..100 richest: 588tn ISK * (0.0413 - 0.0282) / 50 = 154 billion ISK
- Average for 101..200 richest: 588tn ISK * (0.0598 - 0.0413) / 100 = 109 billion ISK
Crap does this mean I'm starting to get sucked into EVE? |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:58:00 -
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eveside won't pay that amount some other merc will just undercut you, besides what would you use that money on? |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:03:00 -
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Infantry is supposed to be the fast food of interstellar combat: Cheap, fast and easy.
Eight Suryas doesn't equal the cost of a single fully fit thorax attack cruiser.
So you need to look at the funding from that angle.
Capitals cost about 2 bil before fits.
supercarriers cost around 36 bil before fits. titans around 70 bil before fits, per hull.
So you need to keep that in mind when you;re considering potential EVE funding.
A 300 man dust corp could be comfortably given 500 mil per week, which is less than 1% of the alliance budget very likely.
I wouldn't count on more. More is just the cheerry on the top. and dependent upon us being useful to EVE corps. |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:04:00 -
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gbghg wrote:eveside won't pay that amount some other merc will just undercut you, besides what would you use that money on?
Which is the reason the DUST side has to all agree, if DUST side agrees then what ever price they set wil be the price EVE would have to pay or no services.
Just as in real life say gas prices, everyone sells gas at $4/gal everyone pays it to all gas stations, one station charges $2/gal well then all the other gas stations grap torches and pitchforks and hang the $2 guy. lol |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:09:00 -
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All I can say is in the beginning I know we will be getting chump change from EVE side, once everyone figures out how important or not hiring DUST corps. can be then hopefully the payments will sway in the right direction.
Its like introducing the car for the first time. No one knows what to charge at first so its just for manufacture and labor of making it, but once the potential is realized on what it can do (get people places fast) then its like a luxury and people start charging more for it.
Fighting for EVE on the ground what does it do for them EVE side? How much is the outcome of the winner worth? |
Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:10:00 -
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The thing is nobody will ever agree. I'd undercut you first chance I got and so would any mercenary corp. What you'll find is big corps like the imperfects will be handed long term contracts worth billions to provide constant support and exclusivity. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:13:00 -
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only time will tell but i would imagine that the cost of hiring a corp will change as people find out how effective mercs are/ what the rep of a corp is/ what kinda job they're being asked to do etc |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:15:00 -
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You would undercut other mercs sure, I probably would too. But I know I'm not smart enough in the field of economics to do otherwise. A smart businessman probably wouldn't undercut other corporations but prove to the buyer reasons for buying what they have to offer is greater than what the "cheaper" alternatives can provide. |
Drado Arona
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:16:00 -
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Ghost-33 wrote:All I can say is in the beginning I know we will be getting chump change from EVE side, once everyone figures out how important or not hiring DUST corps. can be then hopefully the payments will sway in the right direction.
Its like introducing the car for the first time. No one knows what to charge at first so its just for manufacture and labor of making it, but once the potential is realized on what it can do (get people places fast) then its like a luxury and people start charging more for it.
Fighting for EVE on the ground what does it do for them EVE side? How much is the outcome of the winner worth?
Not necessarily. I've discussed with my corp that if we go into faction warfare a reasonable price to expect the best out of our dust players is around 300-400 mil. 200 of which will probably be used for buying more equipment to fight the battle, and 100-200 mil split by 24 (Assuming 24x24 is the max amount at the time for contracts) as an incentive to win. If we however go into the billions of things I'd rather just grind out and lose ships to faction warfare because I'd be assuming you're just trying to rip me off.
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And if by chance we have our own dust section for the corp we'd fund the entire cost of the battle (Assuming you listen to the commander of the dust side part of our corp) and give everyone a pretty penny to play with after we've taken the planets / made a prophet LP wise. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:19:00 -
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You do that mercenary garbage, I'll stick to supporting my corp. |
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Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:20:00 -
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Drado Arona wrote:
Not necessarily. I've discussed with my corp that if we go into faction warfare a reasonable price to expect the best out of our dust players is around 300-400 mil. 200 of which will probably be used for buying more equipment to fight the battle, and 100-200 mil split by 24 (Assuming 24x24 is the max amount at the time for contracts) as an incentive to win. If we however go into the billions of things I'd rather just grind out and lose ships to faction warfare because I'd be assuming you're just trying to rip me off.
them's some generous terms and more than enough justification for having them do your dirty work for WEEKS at a stretch. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:25:00 -
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oh don't misunderstand what I'm saying, im loyal to my corp im just pointing out that the older more stablished coprs with good reputations and a history of winning will charge higher prices then the newer corporations who will have to actively undercut them and each other, you have to remember that ultimately a corporation is a business |
Drado Arona
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:25:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Drado Arona wrote:
Not necessarily. I've discussed with my corp that if we go into faction warfare a reasonable price to expect the best out of our dust players is around 300-400 mil. 200 of which will probably be used for buying more equipment to fight the battle, and 100-200 mil split by 24 (Assuming 24x24 is the max amount at the time for contracts) as an incentive to win. If we however go into the billions of things I'd rather just grind out and lose ships to faction warfare because I'd be assuming you're just trying to rip me off.
them's some generous terms and more than enough justification for having them do your dirty work for WEEKS at a stretch.
Well of course they need to win otherwise what did we just pay for :) |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
379
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:31:00 -
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Drado Arona wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Drado Arona wrote:
Not necessarily. I've discussed with my corp that if we go into faction warfare a reasonable price to expect the best out of our dust players is around 300-400 mil. 200 of which will probably be used for buying more equipment to fight the battle, and 100-200 mil split by 24 (Assuming 24x24 is the max amount at the time for contracts) as an incentive to win. If we however go into the billions of things I'd rather just grind out and lose ships to faction warfare because I'd be assuming you're just trying to rip me off.
them's some generous terms and more than enough justification for having them do your dirty work for WEEKS at a stretch. Well of course they need to win otherwise what did we just pay for :)
you paid for the honour of having us busy mercs get our hands dirty for you capsuleers, after all what's the saying "the fleet does the flying the infantry does the dying" |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:39:00 -
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Drado Arona wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Drado Arona wrote:
Not necessarily. I've discussed with my corp that if we go into faction warfare a reasonable price to expect the best out of our dust players is around 300-400 mil. 200 of which will probably be used for buying more equipment to fight the battle, and 100-200 mil split by 24 (Assuming 24x24 is the max amount at the time for contracts) as an incentive to win. If we however go into the billions of things I'd rather just grind out and lose ships to faction warfare because I'd be assuming you're just trying to rip me off.
them's some generous terms and more than enough justification for having them do your dirty work for WEEKS at a stretch. Well of course they need to win otherwise what did we just pay for :)
200m for a week would give a DUST corp the capacity to lemming a planet nonstop for a week till you took it. Theoretically you could keep a planet in contest till the other side gave up outright. |
Drado Arona
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:39:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Drado Arona wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Drado Arona wrote:
Not necessarily. I've discussed with my corp that if we go into faction warfare a reasonable price to expect the best out of our dust players is around 300-400 mil. 200 of which will probably be used for buying more equipment to fight the battle, and 100-200 mil split by 24 (Assuming 24x24 is the max amount at the time for contracts) as an incentive to win. If we however go into the billions of things I'd rather just grind out and lose ships to faction warfare because I'd be assuming you're just trying to rip me off.
them's some generous terms and more than enough justification for having them do your dirty work for WEEKS at a stretch. Well of course they need to win otherwise what did we just pay for :) you paid for the honour of having us busy mercs get our hands dirty for you capsuleers, after all what's the saying "the fleet does the flying the infantry does the dying"
Do you even into escaping pod traps? So many close calls I've gotten out of barley in my pod. |
Drado Arona
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:41:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Drado Arona wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Drado Arona wrote:
Not necessarily. I've discussed with my corp that if we go into faction warfare a reasonable price to expect the best out of our dust players is around 300-400 mil. 200 of which will probably be used for buying more equipment to fight the battle, and 100-200 mil split by 24 (Assuming 24x24 is the max amount at the time for contracts) as an incentive to win. If we however go into the billions of things I'd rather just grind out and lose ships to faction warfare because I'd be assuming you're just trying to rip me off.
them's some generous terms and more than enough justification for having them do your dirty work for WEEKS at a stretch. Well of course they need to win otherwise what did we just pay for :) 200m for a week would give a DUST corp the capacity to lemming a planet nonstop for a week till you took it. Theoretically you could keep a planet in contest till the other side gave up outright.
Well the idea behind 200mil for equipment costs is putting into factor horrible amounts of resistance. In other words, a equally skilled opponent. In which case CALL IN ALL THE TANKS would be costing a pretty penny. And then drop suit costs. Either way it is very generous, but at the same time having the capacity to call in whatever you need is also very important. (And at the same time we'd be fighting for control in orbit for you guys) |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.30 00:52:00 -
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ah the potential this game has is great |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:03:00 -
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gbghg wrote:ah the potential this game has is great
now it needs to be refined to become more than mere potential. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:17:00 -
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EVE's economy will eventually drive contract pricing. Risk versus reward. Corps and alliances will ask "what's it worth to me if I lose this planet?" Some won't matter in the grand scheme of things, others will be critical. Expect to see huge variance, and stiff competition. Faction warfare is only the beginning.
Interesting trivia for folks just arriving to New Eden: CCP has an economics PhD on staff, and released quarterly economic reports to players for some time. Havent seen one in awhile though. You won't find another game with anything like it.
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General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:30:00 -
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Ghost-33 wrote:
Crap does this mean I'm starting to get sucked into EVE?
we welcome you with open arms  |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:35:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:EVE's economy will eventually drive contract pricing. Risk versus reward. Corps and alliances will ask "what's it worth to me if I lose this planet?" Some won't matter in the grand scheme of things, others will be critical. Expect to see huge variance, and stiff competition. Faction warfare is only the beginning. Interesting trivia for folks just arriving to New Eden: CCP has an economics PhD on staff, and released quarterly economic reports to players for some time. Havent seen one in awhile though. You won't find another game with anything like it.
you can just imagine whats going to happen if he retires and starts teaching, a student's question "what would you say is a major no no in economics sir?" his reply " never let the goons near a trade hub" |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:35:00 -
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if i remember correctly, CCP stated that eventually dusters will be able to take planets withought EVE consent, meaning we can hold valuable planets hostage |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:38:00 -
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I remember seeing similar posts from miners on the EVE forums, somehow they think that if just everyone got together they could raise the prices.
Funny threads in the same way it is funny to see a simple fellow struggle with reading. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:39:00 -
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you could have put that more elegantly |
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