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lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.29 09:09:00 -
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I am just curious on your thoughts if you are proficient using one. And when i refer to skill, I mean player skill, not sp.
here are my thoughts on it if you care to take a look, perhaps give me some tips (besides get a day job)
thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if02hHZ6HdA |
richiesutie 2
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.29 09:58:00 -
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nope im only level 1 in laser operation and i still come out top of the scoreboard when using the laser with no mods
but when im using a laser i always try and remember to go backward instead of going toward your target as that increses the damage |
Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:05:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:I am just curious on your thoughts if you are proficient using one. And when i refer to skill, I mean player skill, not sp. here are my thoughts on it if you care to take a look, perhaps give me some tips (besides get a day job) thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if02hHZ6HdA
hehe, your accent sounds like mine (from Oklahoma, here)
One tip bandied about by laser users is firing it just before engaging the target to heat it up and ramp up the damage output via continuous fire even before you lase the victim.
i love the 'flashlight of death'
Also, Tribes... +1 to you sir, what Tribe were you in, if any? |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:17:00 -
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LR's take out shields really well... and not just on suits. You can take out LV completely, and scare the kittens out of a Drop ship or militia tanks. This is best done if you know you can get more ammo tho :p
It also works very well as an area denial weapon. Only a crazy person is going to go somewhere covered by a LR. Its more psychological than an AR |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:44:00 -
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Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:I am just curious on your thoughts if you are proficient using one. And when i refer to skill, I mean player skill, not sp. here are my thoughts on it if you care to take a look, perhaps give me some tips (besides get a day job) thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if02hHZ6HdA hehe, your accent sounds like mine (from Oklahoma, here) One tip bandied about by laser users is firing it just before engaging the target to heat it up and ramp up the damage output via continuous fire even before you lase the victim. i love the 'flashlight of death' Also, Tribes... +1 to you sir, what Tribe were you in, if any?
I was in a local tribe, but that was a fun game...CTF!!!!!! |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:44:00 -
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keeping the fire on moving targets is much harder than keeping ar bursts on them. Aiming for the head is another benchmark. The cool way to do it is a rising sweep to get the stream going for torso and then tiliting it for the head.
On the other hand, I have not seen one elite ar user either. It will take a while for people to reach the level where a majority of their ar shots hit head. Just as in other games, player skill is never hard capped. |
Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:52:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:I am just curious on your thoughts if you are proficient using one. And when i refer to skill, I mean player skill, not sp. here are my thoughts on it if you care to take a look, perhaps give me some tips (besides get a day job) thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if02hHZ6HdA hehe, your accent sounds like mine (from Oklahoma, here) One tip bandied about by laser users is firing it just before engaging the target to heat it up and ramp up the damage output via continuous fire even before you lase the victim. i love the 'flashlight of death' Also, Tribes... +1 to you sir, what Tribe were you in, if any? I was in a local tribe, but that was a fun game...CTF!!!!!!
CTF!
I played with The Insane Asylum |TIA| |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:16:00 -
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Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:I am just curious on your thoughts if you are proficient using one. And when i refer to skill, I mean player skill, not sp. here are my thoughts on it if you care to take a look, perhaps give me some tips (besides get a day job) thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if02hHZ6HdA hehe, your accent sounds like mine (from Oklahoma, here) One tip bandied about by laser users is firing it just before engaging the target to heat it up and ramp up the damage output via continuous fire even before you lase the victim. i love the 'flashlight of death' Also, Tribes... +1 to you sir, what Tribe were you in, if any? I was in a local tribe, but that was a fun game...CTF!!!!!! CTF! I played with The Insane Asylum |TIA|
cool, did dial up on FPS'S not suck? youngsters these days dont know what lag or being timed out is all about! lol |
Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:20:00 -
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haha, yeah. that's why i played heavy and turret *****. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:25:00 -
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Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:haha, yeah. that's why i played heavy and turret *****.
I did the same, what was that called when you shoot the ground and jump and it would propel you? |
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fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:31:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:I am just curious on your thoughts if you are proficient using one. And when i refer to skill, I mean player skill, not sp. here are my thoughts on it if you care to take a look, perhaps give me some tips (besides get a day job) thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if02hHZ6HdA
you picked the best spot in any map (WTE of maybe D in line harvest) to use a laser rifle and kicked ass, yes LR is amaizing when your enemies have little to no cover. Other wise meh its a good deterrent and for killing scrub berries and kill stealling but crap for all else and more then likely to get you killed cuase guys like meh will flank or out gun you as soon as we see a laser in play. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:36:00 -
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fred orpaul wrote:lowratehitman wrote:I am just curious on your thoughts if you are proficient using one. And when i refer to skill, I mean player skill, not sp. here are my thoughts on it if you care to take a look, perhaps give me some tips (besides get a day job) thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if02hHZ6HdA you picked the best spot in any map (WTE of maybe D in line harvest) to use a laser rifle and kicked ass, yes LR is amaizing when your enemies have little to no cover. Other wise meh its a good deterrent and for killing scrub berries and kill stealling but crap for all else and more then likely to get you killed cuase guys like meh will flank or out gun you as soon as we see a laser in play.
you are right, you need to know your enemy before putting yourself out there with LR solo. And thanks! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:38:00 -
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Do you need SP investment to be effective? Not really, no. Do you need skill to be effective? Yes.
This applies to ANYTHING in the game though. With LRs, you need to stay in your weapon's preferred range bracket, or on the side of it that most disadvantages your opponent. Against a Sniper, your Laser Rifle will have an advantage at mid-range, even though you're losing damage being there - getting closer to the Sniper gives them more of a disadvantage than it gives you. Staying FURTHER than your optimal range is sometimes a good idea against high-tier ARs as well, because their optimal is shorter, so it disadvantages them more than you. |
Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.29 12:09:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:haha, yeah. that's why i played heavy and turret *****. I did the same, what was that called when you shoot the ground and jump and it would propel you?
with the Spinfusor? Disc-Jumping
You could do it with the mortar too if you really felt your oats, but the Disc was usually enough. |
Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.01.29 12:19:00 -
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The guy in the video is right. It's a great situational weapon where tactics and play style are more important than "skillz."
It's great vs nubs, but no more than ok vs people who know what they are doing. The fact that to really use it effectively you have to be at pretty long ranges mean people can just avoid you. |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.29 12:56:00 -
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Before the LR can even be considered for a balance pass, the whole issue surrounding LR operation skills supposedly not applying to it needs to be solved. IGÇÖm talking about the 5% heat build up and 3% cool down bonuses.
AFAIK the first bonus either doesn't apply, or is always applied at full effect; IGÇÖm more inclined to believe the latter because it takes a jaw dropping 80% of your battery to actually overheat when applying sustained fire. It is, to me, much more believable that the Stock LR is intended to overheat at 64% sustained fire at level 0 (if it starts at 80%, the skill would increase it to 100% and so youGÇÖd never overheat!).
Note: I havenGÇÖt personally looked at the cool down bonus much, but it might also be the same case.
So yes, the LR takes some degree of skill* to use and is only situational at best; but I think the calls for nerfing it is rooted in some skills** not applying as they should. That and the psychological impacts of the Laser are much greater than that of an AR or Sniper; it herds targets into cover better than any other infantry weapon, and the user is ideally far enough away for regular return fire to be ineffective (f.x: Snipers counter Lasers very effectively I've found).
IGÇÖm only a newberry however, so this is only what I've managed to scrape together from various forum posts and limited testing. I could be completely incorrect for all I know, but the 80% to overheat at level 0 thing seems wrong to me.
edit: * Player skill, not SP! ** SP, not player skill! |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:59:00 -
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J-Lewis wrote:Before the LR can even be considered for a balance pass, the whole issue surrounding LR operation skills supposedly not applying to it needs to be solved. IGÇÖm talking about the 5% heat build up and 3% cool down bonuses.
AFAIK the first bonus either doesn't apply, or is always applied at full effect; IGÇÖm more inclined to believe the latter because it takes a jaw dropping 80% of your battery to actually overheat when applying sustained fire. It is, to me, much more believable that the Stock LR is intended to overheat at 64% sustained fire at level 0 (if it starts at 80%, the skill would increase it to 100% and so youGÇÖd never overheat!).
Note: I havenGÇÖt personally looked at the cool down bonus much, but it might also be the same case.
So yes, the LR takes some degree of skill* to use and is only situational at best; but I think the calls for nerfing it is rooted in some skills** not applying as they should. That and the psychological impacts of the Laser are much greater than that of an AR or Sniper; it herds targets into cover better than any other infantry weapon, and the user is ideally far enough away for regular return fire to be ineffective (f.x: Snipers counter Lasers very effectively I've found).
IGÇÖm only a newberry however, so this is only what I've managed to scrape together from various forum posts and limited testing. I could be completely incorrect for all I know, but the 80% to overheat at level 0 thing seems wrong to me.
edit: * Player skill, not SP! ** SP, not player skill!
I agree,I used the same setup near the end of last build but had 8x shapshooter and it produced the same results vs older builds,perhaps 3-4 more seconds contact time unless it heavy or rock solid b type assault suits,than it would take a whole clip.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:59:00 -
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Yes they do. Until you hit advanced, you have to work to manage heat (something that should be fixed, if anything is changed about LRs). You also have to make sure nobody gets into CQC range, and that you aren't going to get hit by every sniper. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:13:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Yes they do. Until you hit advanced, you have to work to manage heat (something that should be fixed, if anything is changed about LRs). You also have to make sure nobody gets into CQC range, and that you aren't going to get hit by every sniper.
thanks, it seems reload cancels the cool down period, does it still cancel it at rapid reload x5?
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:42:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Yes they do. Until you hit advanced, you have to work to manage heat (something that should be fixed, if anything is changed about LRs). You also have to make sure nobody gets into CQC range, and that you aren't going to get hit by every sniper. thanks, it seems reload cancels the cool down period, does it still cancel it at rapid reload x5? I'm not sure, but I've seriously fired entire clips of the ELM with the intent of overheating it, and have never managed to overheat. |
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J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:37:00 -
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Does LR damage increase based on heat, or contact time with the target?
Edit: It's the former. Welp. Disregard this post. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:52:00 -
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Over heated my laser for the first time yesterday. Mowed down 4 guys packed together. the 5th bolted into cover and I would have got him if I didn't overheat.
Lesson learned: Need more laser rifle skill to prevent overheating.
Overheating causes you damage!
Don't over heat unless its really really worth it. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:59:00 -
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Lord Crases wrote:Over heated my laser for the first time yesterday. Mowed down 4 guys packed together. the 5th bolted into cover and I would have got him if I didn't overheat.
Lesson learned: Need more laser rifle skill to prevent overheating.
Overheating causes you damage!
Don't over heat unless its really really worth it.
I love bowling with the LR
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