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Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.01.28 20:53:00 - [1] - Quote Corp A wages 1 mill. Corp B wages 1 mill. Winning corp gains 1.9 mill. .1 mill is lost (plus destroyed equipment)... Am I missing something? This is how it is explained to me.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1593	Posted - 2013.01.28 20:56:00 - [2] - Quote Probably. I don't see anything wrong with sinks as the purpose of an ISK sink is to make sure the amount of ISK in the economy doesn't grow out of control which ultimately devalues them.
Drado Arona Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.01.28 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Corp A wages 1 mill. Corp B wages 1 mill. Winning corp gains 1.9 mill. .1 mill is lost (plus destroyed equipment)... Am I missing something? This is how it is explained to me. Obviously the stakes (Or not so obvious) would be in the hundreds of millions zone for final prize. Faction warfare makes lots of isk (Although because of monopolization most people have picked gallente Minmatar, However Ammar is making a comeback) In other words, controlling the planets is VERY important to corps that take pride in being a good FW corp and not just a LP grinder.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 50	Posted - 2013.01.28 20:57:00 - [4] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Probably. I don't see anything wrong with sinks as the purpose of an ISK sink is to make sure the amount of ISK in the economy doesn't grow out of control which ultimately devalues them. This. Prudence requires that the devs err on the side of ISK sink rather than ISK faucet.
DEADPOOL5241 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 233	Posted - 2013.01.28 20:57:00 - [5] - Quote DUST 514 is an ISK sink for EVE.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.01.28 20:58:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah, I wasn't complaining. I was just wondering if there was something I was missing. I'm wondering too, though if the higher wagering is a way to get people to raise the stakes and spend more on equipment, thereby increasing the loot table and basically turning isk into rare items through high stakes battles.
Drado Arona Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:01:00 - [7] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Probably. I don't see anything wrong with sinks as the purpose of an ISK sink is to make sure the amount of ISK in the economy doesn't grow out of control which ultimately devalues them. This. Prudence requires that the devs err on the side of ISK sink rather than ISK faucet. If abused properly it can be easier on the wallet then losing countless ships to FW fights. Which means that it can either be a sink or faucet, it really matters on how the eve corps use this asset..
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:03:00 - [8] - Quote Drado Arona wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Probably. I don't see anything wrong with sinks as the purpose of an ISK sink is to make sure the amount of ISK in the economy doesn't grow out of control which ultimately devalues them. This. Prudence requires that the devs err on the side of ISK sink rather than ISK faucet. If abused properly it can be easier on the wallet then losing countless ships to FW fights. Which means that it can either be a sink or faucet, it really matters on how the eve corps use this asset.. ...wait... how can it be a faucet. ...If both corps (in total) lose more stuff than they gain?
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 50	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:06:00 - [9] - Quote Drado Arona wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Probably. I don't see anything wrong with sinks as the purpose of an ISK sink is to make sure the amount of ISK in the economy doesn't grow out of control which ultimately devalues them. This. Prudence requires that the devs err on the side of ISK sink rather than ISK faucet. If abused properly it can be easier on the wallet then losing countless ships to FW fights. Which means that it can either be a sink or faucet, it really matters on how the eve corps use this asset.. In the larger picture (about which I know relatively little) absolutely. I was mostly talking about DUST corps and our comparatively low ISK, especially now before we see people in really expensive gear.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:06:00 - [10] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Corp A wages 1 mill. Corp B wages 1 mill. Winning corp gains 1.9 mill. .1 mill is lost (plus destroyed equipment)... Am I missing something? This is how it is explained to me. though its poorly explained, its possible to set up corp matches with much higher stakes, ie: 10mill corp battles, however most corps dont have that sort of budget to be throwing around anyway so they stick with 1 mill contracts. Im sure that higher wages will be set up within the next month once all the established corps get an idea of what the best way to play the game is, who their best players are, and have enough money to risk losing that potentially.

Drado Arona Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:09:00 - [11] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Drado Arona wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Probably. I don't see anything wrong with sinks as the purpose of an ISK sink is to make sure the amount of ISK in the economy doesn't grow out of control which ultimately devalues them. This. Prudence requires that the devs err on the side of ISK sink rather than ISK faucet. If abused properly it can be easier on the wallet then losing countless ships to FW fights. Which means that it can either be a sink or faucet, it really matters on how the eve corps use this asset.. ...wait... how can it be a faucet. ...If both corps (in total) lose more stuff than they gain? Because depending on the system you've got 12.5%-50% impact on how fact the faction can take the system. The faster they can take the system the less loses they have to suffer through. Lets say you capture all the planets for faction A, and because of that Faction a takes the system 2 days earlier then predicted. Those two days they would've lost upwards of 1 billion in ships because they had to keep grinding the system down with resistance. thus losing 100mil is cheap. The faster they grind out systems the more LP they can get.
Grimmiers ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:09:00 - [12] - Quote There needs to be an automatic payout option for corp battles. Lets say you play for 10m and the corp gets 20% and the rest split the 80% left. They would get approx. 1m each. The system could even be more complex and let you set the price based on how well they did in battle.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:09:00 - [13] - Quote It's a huge ISK sink for DUST at present, NOT Eve. EvE pilots are not hiring us, we are paying for the privilege of fighting their war for them! Raise your hand if you consider that a viable business model for a mercenary corporation.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:11:00 - [14] - Quote should only take one player about 4-5 pub matches to make 1 mil. So any corp contract less then 5 mill is just not worth the time
Drado Arona Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:11:00 - [15] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: Drado Arona wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Probably. I don't see anything wrong with sinks as the purpose of an ISK sink is to make sure the amount of ISK in the economy doesn't grow out of control which ultimately devalues them. This. Prudence requires that the devs err on the side of ISK sink rather than ISK faucet. If abused properly it can be easier on the wallet then losing countless ships to FW fights. Which means that it can either be a sink or faucet, it really matters on how the eve corps use this asset.. In the larger picture (about which I know relatively little) absolutely. I was mostly talking about DUST corps and our comparatively low ISK, especially now before we see people in really expensive gear. Corp battles should be funded by Eve online corps. In other words, you need to become a very respectable merc corp or join the eve corps official dust section.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:18:00 - [16] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: Drado Arona wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Probably. I don't see anything wrong with sinks as the purpose of an ISK sink is to make sure the amount of ISK in the economy doesn't grow out of control which ultimately devalues them. This. Prudence requires that the devs err on the side of ISK sink rather than ISK faucet. If abused properly it can be easier on the wallet then losing countless ships to FW fights. Which means that it can either be a sink or faucet, it really matters on how the eve corps use this asset.. In the larger picture (about which I know relatively little) absolutely. I was mostly talking about DUST corps and our comparatively low ISK, especially now before we see people in really expensive gear. ...I still don't know how corps could walk away with more than the 2 mill total that they wagered? Lets also assume that 150 clones are destroyed at 10k isk each, that's 1.5 mill in destroyed clones/fittings. ...So 2 mill is wagered --1.5 mill is destroyed (.75mil per team assumed) from clone loss. .1 mill is lost from the transaction 1.6 mill is lost (destroyed) total while one team walks away 'making': 1.9 mill - .75 mill (clone loss) - 1 mill (wager)=.15 mill (to the winning team. The losing team loses 1.75 mill isk. The only difference might be that the loot table is different for corp battles and that this loot is guaranteed to stay in corps....
Drado Arona Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:26:00 - [17] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: ...I still don't know how corps could walk away with more than the 2 mill total that they wagered? Lets also assume that 150 clones are destroyed at 10k isk each, that's 1.5 mill in destroyed clones/fittings. ...So 2 mill is wagered --1.5 mill is destroyed (.75mil per team assumed) from clone loss. .1 mill is lost from the transaction 1.6 mill is lost (destroyed) total while one team walks away 'making': 1.9 mill - .75 mill (clone loss) - 1 mill (wager)=.15 mill (to the winning team. The losing team loses 1.75 mill isk. The only difference might be that the loot table is different for corp battles and that this loot is guaranteed to stay in corps.... Well 1mil wagers are weak in the first place, no reason you should bother touching those. but as I've stated before, Unless you're sponsored by an eve corp you're basically making crap isk. Maybe Hundredth of what a miner makes.


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