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KAEJJI
Doomheim
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:24:00 -
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I am currently specced into Mass Drivers and Nova Knives, but my survivability is absolute crap. The Mass Driver is waaay too situational, making it impossible to defend myself efficiently.
I was thinking about going into Scrambler Pistols as a replacement for the Mass Drivers. Does that sound like a good idea? I am shooting for a hacker/assassin playstyle, and it appears Pistols will help me engage in fights more accurately. |
Denak Kalamari
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:32:00 -
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No.
No no no no no no no no no no.
You do not spec a scout into pistols or nova knives, mass drivers barely. If you really want to be a stealthy scout who hacks a lot of stuff, spec into shotguns. You might be a bit limited in range, but if you know your way around the few maps in Dust and know how to dodge, you can easily compensate for it. |
KAEJJI
Doomheim
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:39:00 -
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Why not?
I've been directly told that Scouts make decent users of Mass Drivers, and I've performed well with it. The only problem is that combined with Nova Knives, it doesn't provide enough firepower to keep me alive long. |
Denak Kalamari
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:44:00 -
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That could be true, but getting a mass driver in close quarters spells doom on yourself, especially with a scout suit. Nova knives aren't really a good option either as a sidearm. If you really want to stick to your mass driver though, I would recommend getting a submachine gun over scrambler pistols, just because you can spam it more than with a pistol and works well with hipfire. |
Tac Com
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:46:00 -
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Pistols are sidearms for a reason. They may beable to put out some decent firepower up close but thier damage drops fast at range. Nova knives also arn't instant kills like the majority of modern day shooters and while they do decent damage the better choice is a shotgun. If you're close enough to knife you're close enough to insta-gib someone with a shotgun.
There are a few skilled knife users around though so maybe try and get tips from them, but for now I'd suggest taking a shotgun and learning how to manuver in Dust and learning how to approach targets. Once you learn to take people down with shotguns, it shouldn't be as hard a transition into knifes.
EDIT: I happen to like the pistol, it's a rather fun weapon. But the SMG is a great sidearm and the high rate of fire does lay down very good damage in CQC. Maybe try both and see what you like. WIth a shotty I might personally try the pistol with it's slightly (and I mean slightly) better range and abbility to more accurately put rounds on target but the SMG might be more to your liking so give them both a try. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.01.26 23:02:00 -
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Nova knives should only be used by scouts.
I'd get an assault rifle. Pistols are a lot of fun, but require more skill to use (you have to aim, you can't be spammy the clown). |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.26 23:26:00 -
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My choice is shotgun scout. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.01.26 23:54:00 -
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KAEJJI wrote:but my survivability is absolute crap.
Oh. I forgot that you were a scout :P. That's more about how you play. A scout has to move around non-stop, and shouldn't be charging people head-on.
If you want to increase your survivability, go assault or logi suit. If you stick with a scout suit, you'll need to move around a lot more. You'll get plenty of kills with an assault rifle if you move and shoot. Although the AR was nerfed, it's still the go-to weapon in most situations. Almost no one is a skilled assault scout, so you'll have some difficulty getting help in your build if you choose to go that way. |
Treemugger
I mug trees.
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Posted - 2013.01.27 02:53:00 -
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Shotguns are good for assassinating. The Breach shotgun can one-shot Militia Assault players.
Knives are okay but way too situational, as you said. A common strategy for shotgun scouts is to get the other dude to minimum health with the shotgun and then spray them with the SMG to finish them off.
If you're adamant about using the scout suit, I suggest profile dampening modules. They increase your survivability significantly because you're harder to track.
Also, think about getting Field Mechanics to level two. I did this and survived a sniper headshot with 5% armor left (I had shield extender as well). Now, I said "think about" instead of "do" because I'm not entirely sure I was wearing a Scout suit at the time. |
Tarquin Markel
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
85
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Posted - 2013.01.27 04:35:00 -
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I favor SMG and charge sniper for maximum flexibility. The SMG's not as deadly as the shotgun, but can kill almost as quickly if you focus fire on (ideally the back of) a target's head. The charge sniper lets you settle down pretty much anywhere convenient and pop a couple of heads (or center torsos, if the target's another scout) when the opportunity presents itself, but you should focus on causing maximum mischief rather than settle down to sniping unless there is nothing more useful for you to do.
AV grenades let you take out passing LAVs and remote explosives let you set traps (particularly useful for placing near hacked objectives).
Suit modules: I like a shield extender and a couple profile dampeners, the better to practice the art of not being seen and survive those times when I fail.
It's a good idea to avoid getting deeply involved in the big battles. Once major combatants react to your presence, you are likely to get killed quickly. Pull back and go find some other way to cause mischief.
(Alternatively, death is just nature's way of telling you to drop a new remote charge on one of the objectives you're defending.) |
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.27 04:55:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:Nova knives shouldn't be used at all by anyone.
I'd get an assault rifle. Pistols are a lot of fun, but require more skill to use (you have to aim, you can't be spammy the clown).
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Tidaen
Nova Corps Marines
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Posted - 2013.01.27 06:06:00 -
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At the moment the Scout lives and dies by high speed and low profile. You need weapons that take advantage of these traits which is why shotguns are popular with scouts right now. The scout suit allows you to get close quickly and unobserved to unleash the heavy damage of the shotgun. I play primarily as a scout and in a 'fair' fight I am almost always at a disadvantage in range and tanking ability. The mass driver screams, "Hey! I'm over here!" which is fine for working in a squad but usually not for solo work.
Hopefully in the near future the scout suit gets some developer love and we can get a few more viable options for fitting new roles. |
DigiOps
DUST University
Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.01.27 07:16:00 -
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Using a scout suit is really more about tactics than stats. If you really want to use a mass driver, stick with your team. Don't go alone. If you decide to go shotgun... As long as you know how to use the terrain to your advantage you'll be just fine by yourself. Use your team as bait. There will always be a few who charge in head-on. Don't do that. Scouts can't take that kind of abuse so leave it to the heavies and assaults. While the enemy is distracted, find an alternate route (because there is one) and flank them. Most of the time (and I do this with an assault suit) they will be distracted enough for you to make a few decent kills and thin the herd. If you're flanking, Take the stragglers first. The back of the pack that no one else has eyes on. Pop off a few rounds with the shotty and grab cover again. If you're lucky, they didn't notice you on the radar and you can take out a few more.
Nova knives are just a bad idea.... When charged they make an awful lot of noise. The only times I've successfully killed with nova knives was when I used a sneaky assault scout whose sole purpose was to hunt snipers. The knives are great for backstabbing snipers, but that's about it. My personal favorite for a side arm is the SMG.
I asked a question pretty similar to yours but more focused on equipment. I figued on drop uplinks, which work great to herd your team to more desirable locations to take objectives more efficiently. The advice I got for equipment when playing skirmish was more beneficial to keeping objectives which was to try using remote explosives. Remember that the objective letter flashes while being hacked before the virus starts uploading. Its plenty of time to detonate and you'll likely get a kill out of it.
Also, try using something other than the standard fragmentation style locus grenades. Flux keep you from wasting ammo to chip away at shields and AVs are, well, anti-vehicle....
So yeah... scout + shotgun + mindful use of cover = surprise *********. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:01:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:The advice I got for equipment when playing skirmish was more beneficial to keeping objectives
That's a good point. So many noobs cap an objective and then run away to die. Defending an objective is a good idea. You can sometimes be more effective if you lurk around capped objectives.
Keep in mind that tactics in corp battles are very different from tactics used in pub matches. Before you specialize too far in one direction, you should ask yourself what you want to gear and skill for. Almost all of the advice given by previous posters is about how to be more effective in pub matches, and most of it does not apply to corp battles. |
DigiOps
DUST University
Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:04:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:DigiOps wrote:The advice I got for equipment when playing skirmish was more beneficial to keeping objectives That's a good point. So many noobs cap an objective and then run away to die. Defending an objective is a good idea. You can sometimes be more effective if you lurk around capped objectives. Keep in mind that tactics in corp battles are very different from tactics used in pub matches. Before you specialize too far in one direction, you should ask yourself what you want to gear and skill for. Almost all of the advice given by previous posters is about how to be more effective in pub matches, and most of it does not apply to corp battles.
That's true. Truth be told I've never engaged in a corp battle so my tactical knowledge is a bit lacking. |
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