Not more milita stuff since milita stuff is as good as basic

Take the milita forge gun 1200 damage and can easily destroy a gunlogi because ive done it

Milita weapons basically stop players from skilling up into the proper varients because they are very good as they are, espc with AV no need to skill up past basic or if your super lazy stick with milita and just hammer away at it and you will get it anyways

I think this would defeat the purpose of buying guns. Maybe i would only like this idea if ccp added more guns that you need to buy with ISK and AUR. For example, they should start you out with the shotgun, and there are other shotguns ( pump action, fully atto) that you have to buyin the marketplace.

Let's see... so long as it's not BPO vehicles, I think we're OK. (man, the E3 build was a painful one balance-wise)

Also, the militia LR would have to overheat somewhat faster - otherwise the already-problematic QQ will be in biblical proportions, drowning anybody who stopped to get their tear vial out.

I lean towards a no, with the missile launcher, sniper, and AR all players start with, they can handle any threat including and up to tanks and dropships (that people buy for quite a pretty penny of isk)

millita gear should also be less effective than tech 1.

I still think all millita gear should not be free only the suits we have currently, pay to play, its still cheaper than stuff that actually requires SP investment, half price is good. You can experiment (but not keep forever) with just about anything with a portion of the proceeds of one match with free millita gear, or a fraction if you are using anything other than the dropships or HAV.

I don't know how good of an idea this is.

It's great that it benefits newbies and let's them understand the bearings and uses of suits.

But giving the newbies that much headway kind of obscures the point that they should use their own devices to discover what works because no one is exactly alike. The 4 basics are just the tips of the tree. Where on from then is up to the player.

Incorporating more branches to the tree at the very start may shorten the life of discovery is all that I'm saying.

(before you reply back, yes I read the entire thread) This seems like a good idea on paper, but if you think about i, this idea starts to have problems. You see, this would mean if the bluedots figure out how to restock, they would never ave to change their kit out. They would just keep on restocking those kits, and never have to skill up. The only way to fix this is to nerf militia items, like how they nerfed militia vehicles (and just about every other part of the vehicles). They need to learn that it's a necessity to get out of militia stuff, otherwise the most used gun and kit will be the starter AR kit.

I'm not totally against this idea but think if something like this were implemented it would have to be limited in some more overarching manner - maybe you can only use militia gear (including BPOs) when below 1 million SP (or maybe higher, would need balancing). Or perhaps there could be special training zones for militia gear but can not be used in normal pub matches.

It's also important not to forget skills, Yes militia weapons allow you to use the gear without skills, but they do not give the buffs provided by skills and things like higher accuracy, better RoF, more damage, better range, etc. should not be ignored.
Yes a player who's spec'ed their character into AV can use the militia Forge to take out an above militia vehicle chassis but that doesn't mean it was A) an above militia fitting (low meta mods on a mid meta frame still = a low meta fit) or that B) it was the weapon alone (AV player skill + AV character skills = greater impact than the gun alone).

This same reasoning applies across the boards, player skill, and character SP investment, as well as the other elements of the fitting (both that of the user and the target) all play a role, overlooking any aspect of the above doesn't provide for the proper context to evaluate what's occurring.

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EDIT: Let's keep our terminology clear, Starter fits may function in a similar way to Militia BPOs but they are NOT the same item. Starter fits are provided to new players free of charge from CCP. Militia BPOs are purchased with AUR (i.e. use of real cash). Treating the two as if their identical is both inaccurate and problematic.

Last thing we need is some troll running around in a heavy suit that costs 2000 isk with a HMG

No players should be given 100 of each weapon and drop suit in militia fits. preset so they can see how they are to be used. your idea is good but do not make it unlimited use

The only issue is that this isn't a good idea for a game that uses an economic system like this one will.

I actually want to see your idea implemented as a VR training system like many of us have requested, with all equipment available to be experimented with for free in an environment that provides no SP or ISK, just to allow players to get a feel for what they want to spec into.