DUST Search - The viability of a Dust candidate on the CSM

Zion Shad wrote:

@ Alan CSM members do have Dust Accounts, but none of them really use them except for Hans shown here

Since he is not running the coming CSm though we will lose his support for DUST. All other Candidates so far in the running don't care about DUST ether and CCP will have to teach them about it at the summits just as they already have.

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We are already hard at work on the next expansion where you will see things like player owned districts, tighter economic integration and more incentives for EVE characters and corporations to take part in the politics, logistics and outcomes of DUST 514 battles. The design teams will be working with the CSM this year to make sure these plans sit well with capsuleers and mercenaries alike.

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Two Step from the CSM

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As I said in the 10 or 12 other "DUST should be on the CSM" threads, you guys are *way* premature. How about you let CCP finish getting DUST out the door first, and see how many people are playing DUST 6 months or so after release.

Seleene- Chairmen of the CSM

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Now, I have no idea what has or has not been said by other CSM members, but I'll just say this plainly - CCP is not even THINKING about a DUST CSM. At. All. "Yeah, maybe we will do that one day." is literally it. We on the CSM have asked about it and that's the answer we've gotten for two years now.

Let me also clarify one other thing - DUST isn't even a real game yet. It's a thing in beta that may or may not be released in the next 6-12 months, at which point it will have to cross a lot of lines before CCP considers funding a whole other group of nerds to fly to Iceland.

I hope DUST makes a billion dollars and is solid gold, but right now it's still vaporware and CCP isn't yet looking at it as something that needs specific player representation on the level EVE does with the CSM.

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Understand this, we are alone in 2013. One thread here or one Nova Knife there chatting with some CCP guy won't change it ether.

We are not organized, we are not loud enough and from space they cannot hear us scream.


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Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2013.01.25 14:01:00 - [1] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: @ Alan CSM members do have Dust Accounts, but none of them really use them except for Hans shown here Since he is not running the coming CSm though we will lose his support for DUST. All other Candidates so far in the running don't care about DUST ether and CCP will have to teach them about it at the summits just as they already have. Quote: We are already hard at work on the next expansion where you will see things like player owned districts, tighter economic integration and more incentives for EVE characters and corporations to take part in the politics, logistics and outcomes of DUST 514 battles. The design teams will be working with the CSM this year to make sure these plans sit well with capsuleers and mercenaries alike. Link HERE Two Step from the CSM Quote: As I said in the 10 or 12 other "DUST should be on the CSM" threads, you guys are way premature. How about you let CCP finish getting DUST out the door first, and see how many people are playing DUST 6 months or so after release. Seleene- Chairmen of the CSM Quote: Now, I have no idea what has or has not been said by other CSM members, but I'll just say this plainly - CCP is not even THINKING about a DUST CSM. At. All. "Yeah, maybe we will do that one day." is literally it. We on the CSM have asked about it and that's the answer we've gotten for two years now. Let me also clarify one other thing - DUST isn't even a real game yet. It's a thing in beta that may or may not be released in the next 6-12 months, at which point it will have to cross a lot of lines before CCP considers funding a whole other group of nerds to fly to Iceland. I hope DUST makes a billion dollars and is solid gold, but right now it's still vaporware and CCP isn't yet looking at it as something that needs specific player representation on the level EVE does with the CSM. Link HERE Understand this, we are alone in 2013. One thread here or one Nova Knife there chatting with some CCP guy won't change it ether. We are not organized, we are not loud enough and from space they cannot hear us scream. Weren't you running for CSM this time yesterday ! Lol. I've said much to the same tune when these DUST CSM posts started months back ... yes it will be needed eventually, but for the time being at least trying to make sure some of the Eve CSM have a good handle on DUST and are heavily involved in Eve will provide enough weight to this side of the debates. Perhaps CCP could include it in the voting, one vote for CSM and one vote for DUST/Eve candidates ... then the council can be made with 2 or 3 of them having a DUST interest too.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2013.01.25 16:57:00 - [2] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Weren't you running for CSM this time yesterday ! Lol. I've said much to the same tune when these DUST CSM posts started months back ... yes it will be needed eventually, but for the time being at least trying to make sure some of the Eve CSM have a good handle on DUST and are heavily involved in Eve will provide enough weight to this side of the debates. Perhaps CCP could include it in the voting, one vote for CSM and one vote for DUST/Eve candidates ... then the council can be made with 2 or 3 of them having a DUST interest too. It was my platform, but look this "Perhaps" or "Maybe" crap is not going to happen. If you want it and I mean WANT IT! Then throw out your "Maybe" and tell them Strait. CCP I WANT DUST IN THE CSM! Around 600,000 Mercs, over 200,000 PSN Accounts still isn't enough I guess. Over a month ago there was around 7 DUST Mercs all wanting to run for CSM, why isn't anyone asking "Where are they now?" Post #15 I don't particularly want a DUST representative in the CSM ! The council is there to provide a first impression of player feedback on CCPs ideas for development in New Eden and to consolidate the communities forum discussions and their own ideas into a proposal of changes the community wants to see. As it stands and probably will for a while yet, the bulk of the game mechanics are in the countless professions and items and economy on Eve side, as is the bulk of the player base, who, I might add, are all paying subscribers, but that's not to say DUST is any less worthy of being considered in their discussions. I can understand in a years time when we've got most of what is intended to be in DUST, that there will be a need for maybe 4 dedicated DUST CSM members on top of the current Eve members, but while this is still a beta and while there is still very little impact DUST can have on New Eden, I think CSM positions being taken up by people who have no, or next to no, knowledge of Eve would be more detrimental to Eve than a DUST player would be benificial to DUST. At this stage CCP still has their plan of what will be in DUST and how it will interact with Eve and they still have a heck of a lot of development to do with that. Just let them get on with it and provide your feedback on the forums, they've already shown an ability to take advice from the whole community in the sp cap changes recently, we just need a bit more of that. Having some Eve players on the CSM who also play DUST will maintain the solidity of the Eve CSM while still providing enough interest and forum/community awareness in the DUST development ideas. Finally I use words like perhaps and maybe because I'm not in a position to make demands of CCP like some people on this forum seem to think they are. I'm here to make suggestions and give opinions for them to consider as it's their game they are developing. If I was their boss or parent or the police I could make demands, but I'm a customer and my rights don't stretch that far, particularly for a free service. As I final thought ... To be honest I've seen enough on this forum to know there are VERY few members of this community that I would want representing us on the CSM, particularly those in the very vocal "elite" corporations who seem to prefer trolling and flaming than providing constructive feedback and discussion for the benefit of the game.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2013.01.25 18:10:00 - [3] - Quote KainSpero wrote: The main importance I see in having a CSM candidate with a Dust as a major plank in their campaign platform is that Dust 514 is in a critical moment in its development and moving forward we need to insure two things: 1. That the interaction between Dust and Eve grows over time in a meaningful way that improves both games and draws more players into New Eden 2. That Dust doesn't screw up Eve through this interaction A CSM representative wouldn't bring up stuff like "lasers are op and need to be nerfed, the forge gun splash is too large, etc.". Instead it is more like: "Eve players and corporations should be able to go to a special market place where they can arrange contracts with Dust mercenaries to take specific districts to improve the EVE/Dust ineraction in Faction Warfare." or "The impact on player sovereignty from Dusters taking a planet is too much/little, I think it should be this instead." Exactly my point ... we do need some people on the CSM with a vested interest in DUST development, but that person also needs to have a solid understanding of how "The impact on player sovereignty from Dusters taking a planet" actually makes a difference to the well established Eve community and it's borders. What I'm saying is this (or these) candidates ideally should already be viable candidates for the Eve side that have taken up DUST with a passion aswell. I'm not voicing my opinions on this because I think I'd be suitable ... I've been in Eve for 5 years with a couple of accounts, but I haven't done much more than log in to run manufacture in highsec for the past 18 months or so, until recently anyway, getting back into it with some new capsuleers joining from DUST introduction :-) No offence intended, but I hadn't heard of you before all this streaming posts rubbish, but from what I read of your responses, you might fit in my "very few people I might want representing us" category, but there's a problem with anyone from the big corporations being elected in that it would be too easy for people to call bias or prejudice on every proposal / vote he makes. I don't think there is a perfect solution until DUST is big enough and complex enough and interconnected enough to warrant several dedicated representatives adding to the CSMs numbers, but until then someone like yourself could be good, so long as you can keep yourself focused on community and universal implications rather than corporate posturing and personal gain. That said it depends whether you're interested in that sort of role.