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Posted - 2013.01.25 12:47:00 -
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to those saying it's too early for dust representatives: you definitely shouldn't think of running for csm if you think this.
even though dust was in closed beta - it still needed community representatives to help manage CCP in how they take the advice of the community.
How many times did we say "WTF did that get put in?" in every build?
How many duplicate threads were needed to be created to get acknowledgement only to get something completely irrelevant brought up in feedback?
The forums are a complete mishmash of ideas and sifting through the hay for the gems is no nice task. We need that community direction to point CCP to the core matters the community finds at that given point. Closed / Open / Launch is irrelevant, those requirements are now and will help shape the game to an "Acceptable standard at the given point in time". We have all seen the threads "after x amount of time I was expecting more"; this is because a lot of unnecessary changes were done, they may have been minor or quick fixes, but leave a general consensus that focus was not on the key issues.
I'm not saying CCP is incompetent in any shape or form, but when they take the advice of the community, it's always heavy handed with a side order of extra function to make it worse. We are open beta now, each change CCP makes is critical as we all know how the FPS community reacts when something doesn't go as planned.
They've said they want a dust representative... but I'm hearing that the only way is to vote through eve and I think shad was doing this wrong. trying to get onto the eve csm to influence dust is completely the wrong way to go about it. not only are you using the EVE audience (who are not the primary audience here) but are also taking out a valuable EVE player and replacing with someone who has no interest in eve for the little discussion they have with dust.
It needs to be wholly dust, voted by the dust community via dust mediums. anything else isn't a fair representation.
I know this isn't really what csm is used for and from reading previous minutes it's more of a "here is what we are doing" and people say yes or no, but I'm hoping CCP makes a more refined approach with dust, in how they take the communities opinion and I hope who ever does take on the role, focuses on the communities interests and tries to push that through. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:58:00 -
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Like people have said I doubt very much we will have any say this year other than the form of forum votes (which is good enough for me) I think maybe we should start taking ourselves seriously but independently of CCP. A separate entity like finn suggested earlier.
CCP doesn't think we need a CSM yet and rightly so; What have we done to show them we can produce a competent band of like minded representatives who won't bicker after the niceties have passed? Nothing.
I think we should set up an independent body with a different medium than the forums to discuss what the community has brought up. As finn said, we can elect an amount of members to this committee and leave it up to CCP to refine what they want at a later stage when they are ready.
In the mean time we can still avidly discuss solutions to common problems amongst ourselves and submit this to CCP. It's up to us to go about this in a professional, inviting scope so CCP doesn't take us for a premature group of fps players that high tail it when things don't go our way.
Like was said above, we are far too new (in the world of gaming) to be deemed a worthwhile investment to CCP - even the EVE CSM thinks this. But I don't think that means we should be complacent while we wait for other people to decide when it's our turn to show we care about this game as much as CCP / CSM cares about EVE.
From the CSM minutes I seen, it was more reactionary than proactive talk which I think doesn't achieve what the community wanted you to set out to do. Sitting there and nodding your head isn't what the community needs, I know that not only does CCP not have much time, have their own requirements to discuss and can't diverge what every member wants to make an epeen point about, but the CSM should come prepared with an already documented solution to each of their problems so that very meting isn't a brainstorming session but a many to one relational discussion and leave it to CCP to take on board.
I have setup a #dustCSM channel which is invite only (so it doesn't get jam packed with random people who don't want to talk about the channel topic) and will make a separate thread for invites. At present I will invite anyone with a vested interest in the a dust CSM, but once the making of the dust CSM is documented, I think it would be best to make it CSM representatives only. I will then pass on channel privileges to those voted and let the elected take over.
I'll setup a dust CSM site (nothing special for now) to help with documentation, news, updates, file management etc
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Posted - 2013.01.26 12:18:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=495303&post495303 for those with an interest |
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