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0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.25 02:11:00 - [1] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Shotgun Scout is a very agile and fast role. It's for those who are good at twitch FPS gameplay, want to play stealthy or sneaky roles, want a challenge, and are versatile. Actually, shotgun scout is for noobs who can't get any kills with an assault rifle in pub matches. It's this game's anti-infantry noobtube. One hit kill @ close range to the face, but absolutely useless at range. You can sometimes sneak up on people in pubs, but you'll fail miserably as a shotgun scout in corp battles. In corp battles everyone has a mic, and everyone will drop you before you can get in range. They also do things like watching their teammate's backs, and they'll make good use of cover and obstacles. It's also used by tank drivers to one or two shot a forge-gunning heavy. That's because tank drivers usually don't have any points in infantry skills, and fat suits are fat. Get some skill. Get an assault rifle. edit: and before you think I'm a qqing noob, I'll add that I sometimes use a shotgun when driving a tank. It's a noob weapon. If I wanted to be more effective on the ground, I'd get an assault rifle with a scout or assault suit. Shotgun is just used in so few situations, but AR is useful in so many. Plus, 5 guys shooting at a scout with ARs will drop him so fast he'll think he was one shot by a grenade. This is as bad as a grenade spamming guide. Throw down a nanohive and spam grenades. You'll get some kills, and probably more than if you went shotgun scout ;).
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.26 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Grenade spamming is a perfectly viable tactic, so go whine about that in another thread - you QQers already got them nerfed them before open beta so I can't believe you're still complaining about that. lol. You realize that CCP just made a math error with the 2 second timer once a grenade hit the ground, right? It was only around for a little, and they quickly did a hotfix to fix it. The damage stayed the same. All they did was make it so you needed to have a little skill to use them and cook them first. My point is that standing on a nanohive or by a supply depot might net you a lucky kill, but there's really no skill involved. I'm not saying that shotguns need a nerf. Shot gunners simply get lucky kills every now and then. If it's fun and you like it, go ahead and play it. If new players want to be more effective, IMO they should look at some of the other roles too. I have an alt that uses pistols only. It's fun, but I would be much more effective if I used an assault rifle instead. Shotguns are the same way. Fun for some to play with, but outclassed by other roles. If you're going Anti-Vehicle, wouldn't it be a better idea to spec into sidearms? You can't use a shotgun and a swarm launcher at the same time, but you can use a swarm launcher with a pistol or smg. This game is all about specialization. If you're skilling AV, you'll be a better AV player if you skill into things that support that role. Same goes for logis, tankers, etc., etc. I what I have seen, and from what you described, the main role of a shot gunner is to sneak around and hope you get a lucky kill when someone isn't paying attention, or an enemy walking around the wrong corner. Other roles are far better at providing fire support, (ie HMG on a heavy -.-) dropping equipment, and sneaking around as a scout.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.26 23:47:00 - [3] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: If you want a challenge Going pistols only is a challenge. A weapon that one hit kills at close range on almost any part of your target is not. If the challenge is about getting into close range, that can be said about most weapons. A scrambler pistol's max effective range is 17 meters. And I have no clue what min/maxing is.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.01.27 05:18:00 - [4] - Quote Tekk Wolf wrote: Didn't you JUST say this spec is useless because it's impossible in a corp match to get close enough to use this "noob" weapon? Now it's an overpowered one hit kill?! You sir need to stop typing simply because you like to hear the keys click.... ._. the OP's alt? lol. Going pistols is not stupid. It's pro. It is also not impossible to get near someone in a corp match with a shotgun, just rare. Where do you see me saying that shotguns are overpowered? It's a weapon based on luck. There are plenty of weapons that OHK in this game, and most of them are not based on luck.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 183	Posted - 2013.04.05 15:17:00 - [5] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: So you're saying you suck with Scrambler Pistols, so they suck? facepalm GG noobs resurrecting a noob thread =/ No skill = 1 shot to anywhere in the body more skill = 1 shot to a small target (ie the head) Scrambler pistols don't one shot to any part of the body, they get 450% extra damage to shields for a head shot, and 350% to armor. Now back to your corner! edit: I guess we know whose alt the OP is t(-_-t)
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 183	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:51:00 - [6] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I think 0 Try Harder is Trolling a bit here. I'm not. This is an example of the main reason why I started posting in the training forums. I'd see multiple noobs all doing the same thing, and whatever they were doing at the time was stupid. I couldn't figure out why so many people were all doing the same stupid thing at once, until I discovered the training forums. At first I thought that most of the guys who were posting here were actually trolling new players, but I found out that was not true. I came to give noobs a different opinion and some more options, and hopefully make them think twice before making a mistake with their valuable SP. Fox Gaden wrote: The Shotgun is not dependent on Luck, it is dependent on Positioning. For new players Positioning is often dependent on Luck The same thing can be said for every single role on the battlefield. The difference between the positioning of a shotgun and other weapons is that the shotgun is more dependent on luck than other weapons. Positioning should not be dependent on luck. Fox Gaden wrote: A good Shotgun Scout uses terrain and cover to a greater degree than any other class. They use their better scan resolution to see where the enemy is and which way they are facing, in order to sneak up behind them. Even good players canGÇÖt be looking in all directions all the time. The introduction of vegetation will be a huge Buff to Shotgun Scouts as they are more susceptible to being spotted visually than by suit sensors. Vegetation will not provide cover from bullets, but it will provide cover from prying eyes. Many people seem to be having trouble with this. The skills that you talk about here *should be used by every class. It is also true that most players do not take advantage of cover as much as some of those who play shotgun scouts do. It's also true that there are many players who have no idea what to do, or how to frag. Look, you can get frags with Nova Knives. I've seen it happen once or twice. Now take all of the skills required to play nova knives and apply it to another weapon. You should see that same person do significantly better with the other weapon than he would with a Nova Knife. IMO it takes much* more skill to wield a nova knife than a shotgun, just because shotguns have a longer range, can one shot targets from it, and can be used in MLT form with no skills in anything. If you want to learn how to position and sneak up on targets like a real pro, get some knives. If you want to be a good player, get a real weapon. If you want to stat pad your KDR, get a sniper rifle and play one-handed behind the red line. If you want to be a noob and get some lucky frags, grab a shotgun. Everyone else is. But again, as I said earlier (in this thread or another) Pistol > SMG / Shotgun or Shotgun / SMG (can't tell for sure) > Nova Knife You'll get frags with the shotgun in pubs, but as a general rule it's not the most useful corp battle weapon. You're far better off using a SMG or a pistol. And if you're going shotgun SCOUT, you're just plain doing it wrong. IDK how many times I've said this, but logi > scout for almost everything. You're not cool, you're not a ninja, you're a noob. Don't be a noob unless you want to be (for the luls). I have a scout. It's fun. I screw around. I would not bring my scout anywhere near a real corp battle. This is the training ground for a reason- it's to train noobs and help them out. Telling them to play "shotgun scout" is not going to help them improve as much as telling them how to be good will. They can decide to be bad, but that is their choice. Yani Nabari wrote: I think 0try is forgetting the skill required to get in near melee range with a suit that turns to dust when looked at funny. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66800 Thank you Maken Tosch for making this thread ^_^ I highly recommend that any starting player who wishes to be a scout to go read that. Also, look at the stats of the suits in game. If you're going to use a shotgun, at least go with a Logi vk.1 suit. At least you'll be able to take a shot or two before you drop, and you won't be limited to a gimped suit with a gimped lucky-frag weapon. //emorage off ^_^ I just get annoyed because people are going to read this, say "oh yah a shotgun killed me" and then continue down a path of imminent failure. Screw around on your alts, or know what you are getting into with your main. If you're going to screw around, why not do it with a weapon that takes a little bit of skill? Go scrambler pistol for head shots, or go with Nova Knives for some CQC fun.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 183	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:07:00 - [7] - Quote If some guys come to forums and say, "oh, I like shotguns and they are fun, I wonder how other people are using them." Then this thread is great for them. Some players come to forums seeking information that will help them improve. I do not see "shotgun scout" as a way for that player to improve his or her game. It will just make you look slightly better, but in the end you will still be a noob. If you want to look better, why not be a red line sniper and pad your KDR/get WP that way?
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 184	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:19:00 - [8] - Quote Yani Nabari wrote: Welcome to the Rookie Training Ground. Where people look at different builds for more than just min/max capabilities. I can still criticize it and provide what I believe are better options. If someone makes a "guide to shotgun and nova knife heavy" I would comment on that too. It does not mean that you cannot make a guide to shotgun and nova knife heavy, or try it out in a game. If I made a "guide to the nova knife heavy" I would expect to see some criticism, possible better options, and why other options might be better ideas. It's not about min/maxing, those MMO terms make me cringe. If I came to the training grounds as a new player looking for different builds, I would want to know the downside of them too. I even stated that as a tank driver, and I use LOGI suit and shotgun. This is for good reason too. The logi suit can go almost as fast, and can take a hell of a lot more abuse than the scout can. The scout suit flops over onto its face when paired against a proto heavy with high SMG skills. I think it's the FPS mindset. Give starting players a place to start, and let them go from there. How do you frag? This is how I frag, how I see others frag, and what I believe are the positives and negatives between them. If you have questions about certain things, feel free to post or send them to me in game ^_^ I get lots of mail.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 186	Posted - 2013.04.06 16:37:00 - [9] - Quote > Neocom (L1) > Social > Contacts > Search > (x) and type "master jaraiya" > confirm your search > (x) select name > Add Contact > exit and open neocom > social > Leaderboards > (L1) to contacts tab > Read Master Jaraiya K/DR: 0.67 Master Jaraiya wrote: It is more than luck getting a 26/9 KDR with 2350 WP in a pub match running a complete Militia Shotgun Scout! > Call out Master Jaraiya for BS inb4 it's an alt/i don't care about kdr/i just reset Master Jaraiya wrote: O Try Harder, I think you are mad because us shotty scouts PWN you! If I was repeatedly "pwnd" by you, I think I would quit the game in shame.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 193	Posted - 2013.04.07 14:09:00 - [10] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: One of my favourite fits to run pub machesis the dragonfly suit with a burst and a breech scrambler pistol I petty much use the followung fits for a laugh and they are quite effective and cheep so you can profit from any game +1! That's awesome! My personal favorite is 2x KLO-1 :D pegasis prime wrote: These fits vastly helped improve my gun game and tactics as I norm run heavy these fits gave me a different perspective of the game every one should try to run these fits as it will help improve gun game as well as giving a greater understanding of the maps and hiw ro utalise cover effectivly . Happy hunting

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