DUST Search - Open Beta = Official Release??

Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:

tribal wyvern wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Has CCP confirmed this? I read a few people saying that the game is being released on the 22nd.

I guess they're using the logic that everyone will have access to it and it will be a free to play game, so essentially.....the open beta is a full release.

But I'm curious to know if CCP has said anything to confim truth in that

Well it's not the official release as such, open beta is open beta BUT eve has been in open beta since 2003 and it never had an official release.
If this was a disk title then it would be a different story, as you need the disk for it to be an official release, but as dust is a digital title then one could argue that although its an open beta it is being released to the general public and the open beta will seamlessly transition from open beta to whatever follows after that (full content, expansions etc).
So while its not THE release, it's as good as (in digital title terms)

I think you are incorrect, and here is the proof:
"Eve Online was released in North America and Europe in May 2003"

Certainly, EVE is in constant development, and new expansions are added quite often, but you have to pay a subscription for playing. And that, in most cases, indicates that the game is not being tested anymore. My point is, I think that if you'd take EVE from 2003, it would be by itself a complete standalone game, not lacking any content planned initially, etc. People were not testing this game anymore, they were playing it.

Dust is clearly not at this stage at the moment. There are many things yet to be added in order to fulfill the devs' promises and tons of bugs to get fixed. A game in such state cannot be considered officially released under any circumstances, unless it's War Z. Moreover, there is lack of clarity in Dust 514 F2P model for me, which I think about in my thread "Official release and F2P model" . And even if the question I ask in that thread is proven wrong, I surely believe there is going to be an official release. I don't think CCP would stay as quiet as now if 22nd would mark the OR date.

Oh, and please don't tell me that any MMO is constantly in open beta. Why? Because, following this logic, World of Warcraft is still in open beta. The craziest idea ever, IMO.

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Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.21 02:00:00 - [1] - Quote Has CCP confirmed this? I read a few people saying that the game is being released on the 22nd. I guess they're using the logic that everyone will have access to it and it will be a free to play game, so essentially.....the open beta is a full release. But I'm curious to know if CCP has said anything to confim truth in that
Quill Killian Better Hide R Die 107	Posted - 2013.01.21 02:04:00 - [2] - Quote I haven't heard or ready anything concrete, but here's what I think is happening: Dust will go into open beta for the PS3, yes, on Jan. 22, but that's where it will stay: in beta. The full commerical release will come with the PS4, which sounds as if it will launch by November or December.
Dr Debo Galaxy GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 189	Posted - 2013.01.21 02:06:00 - [3] - Quote open beta = open beta
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2013.01.21 02:29:00 - [4] - Quote It'll probably be in BETA as long as PS Home is. Kinda reminds me of Home too.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2013.01.21 02:45:00 - [5] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Has CCP confirmed this? I read a few people saying that the game is being released on the 22nd. I guess they're using the logic that everyone will have access to it and it will be a free to play game, so essentially.....the open beta is a full release. But I'm curious to know if CCP has said anything to confim truth in that Well it's not the official release as such, open beta is open beta BUT eve has been in open beta since 2003 and it never had an official release. If this was a disk title then it would be a different story, as you need the disk for it to be an official release, but as dust is a digital title then one could argue that although its an open beta it is being released to the general public and the open beta will seamlessly transition from open beta to whatever follows after that (full content, expansions etc). So while its not THE release, it's as good as (in digital title terms)
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 45	Posted - 2013.01.21 03:08:00 - [6] - Quote Official release is in February.
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2013.01.21 03:10:00 - [7] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: Official release is in February. According to?
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 45	Posted - 2013.01.21 04:13:00 - [8] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: Official release is in February. According to? Was in an interview with a dev (I think) and he 'let slip' the release was 'next month' trying to find the link now. EDIT: Total bullcrap. I read it wrong like a ****.
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 45	Posted - 2013.01.21 04:18:00 - [9] - Quote Aw Jesus. Someone shoot me. I read it wrong. Sorry guys :S.
Ner'Zul Nexhawk Talos Incorporated 153	Posted - 2013.01.21 04:21:00 - [10] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Has CCP confirmed this? I read a few people saying that the game is being released on the 22nd. I guess they're using the logic that everyone will have access to it and it will be a free to play game, so essentially.....the open beta is a full release. But I'm curious to know if CCP has said anything to confim truth in that Well it's not the official release as such, open beta is open beta BUT eve has been in open beta since 2003 and it never had an official release. If this was a disk title then it would be a different story, as you need the disk for it to be an official release, but as dust is a digital title then one could argue that although its an open beta it is being released to the general public and the open beta will seamlessly transition from open beta to whatever follows after that (full content, expansions etc). So while its not THE release, it's as good as (in digital title terms) I think you are incorrect, and here is the proof: "Eve Online was released in North America and Europe in May 2003" Certainly, EVE is in constant development, and new expansions are added quite often, but you have to pay a subscription for playing. And that, in most cases, indicates that the game is not being tested anymore. My point is, I think that if you'd take EVE from 2003, it would be by itself a complete standalone game, not lacking any content planned initially, etc. People were not testing this game anymore, they were playing it. Dust is clearly not at this stage at the moment. There are many things yet to be added in order to fulfill the devs' promises and tons of bugs to get fixed. A game in such state cannot be considered officially released under any circumstances, unless it's War Z. Moreover, there is lack of clarity in Dust 514 F2P model for me, which I think about in my thread "Official release and F2P model" . And even if the question I ask in that thread is proven wrong, I surely believe there is going to be an official release. I don't think CCP would stay as quiet as now if 22nd would mark the OR date. Oh, and please don't tell me that any MMO is constantly in open beta. Why? Because, following this logic, World of Warcraft is still in open beta. The craziest idea ever, imo. P.S. I'm terribly sorry for the lack of links, but my phone keeps telling me that I can't use HTML input, although earlier everything was alright. I'll update my post with the links first time I get to my computer.

Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2013.01.21 04:52:00 - [11] - Quote A content expansion schedule does not mean the game is still in beta. Not sure how this got so confusing but it seems to boil down to people not wanting CCP to honor the AUR refund at release just because there has been an indication the last wipe is behind us. FTR, a dev was asked in IRC which of the following still apply on the 22nd: open beta, NDA, and commercial release. The answer was yes to open beta, and nda is over.
VirtualxBucaneer ROGUE SPADES 44	Posted - 2013.01.21 04:55:00 - [12] - Quote It's not a full release, it's an unfinished product release.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2013.01.21 05:22:00 - [13] - Quote Beta is a beta.

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 470	Posted - 2013.01.21 05:48:00 - [14] - Quote I am not an expert but the rumor has it that Open Beta = Open Beta. :)

Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 328	Posted - 2013.01.21 05:51:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: I am not an expert but the rumor has it that Open Beta = Open Beta. :) ie Open Beta =/= Official Release for the logic challenged. But please let's have more typing in this forum.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2013.01.21 05:53:00 - [16] - Quote I think that says it all
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:02:00 - [17] - Quote Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: I think that says it all Or does it!? He said that was just the rumor. Speculation time!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:03:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: I am not an expert but the rumor has it that Open Beta = Open Beta. :) This is what I was thinking.... but as you can see from some of the responses, some thought different and needed clarification. Man, from all of the questions I've posed to CCP, they respond to this one. And the first response had to be a trolling one lol.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 360	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:06:00 - [19] - Quote Well CCP likes to troll, and this topic needed to be addressed so that's what you get.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1899	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:10:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: I am not an expert but the rumor has it that Open Beta = Open Beta. :) Owned.

Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:42:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: I am not an expert but the rumor has it that Open Beta = Open Beta. :) CCP Frame: Philosopher...
Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:55:00 - [22] - Quote I'd be nice to hear from CCP what is the difference between DUST open beta and DUST release. F2P model makes border between open beta and release really tiny.
Pimp Hand Strong Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 06:58:00 - [23] - Quote Did they ever decide if The NDA was going to be fully lifted and if uploading to youtube will be allowed during the open beta?
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2013.01.21 07:02:00 - [24] - Quote Open Beta- Everyone can download and play the game for free Full Release- Everyone can download and play the game for free and yes NDA is lifted once open beta hits
Pimp Hand Strong Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 07:04:00 - [25] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Open Beta- Everyone can download and play the game for free Full Release- Everyone can download and play the game for free and yes NDA is lifted once open beta hits Thanks man, I seen the DEV touch on this, but must have missed the full answer, they had to get with their legal team.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.21 08:31:00 - [26] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Open Beta- Everyone can download and play the game for free Full Release- Everyone can download and play the game for free and yes NDA is lifted once open beta hits Last post I've read from a dev regarding NDA is that they're not sure yet
Jay Sterling IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2013.01.21 08:55:00 - [27] - Quote I suppose one important difference between 'beta' and 'release' is that removal of the word 'beta' gives the green light for official reviewers to review the game. I wonder if there will be an advertising campaign?
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 809	Posted - 2013.01.21 10:32:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: I am not an expert but the rumor has it that Open Beta = Open Beta. :) So, we will get our Merc Pack items refunded one more time in the future at the official release as promised, right?
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2013.01.21 13:20:00 - [29] - Quote As a crude but effective measure, I'd say when you can go through the PS3 DUST 514 client and not find one SOONGäó, we will have arrived at Official ReleaseGäó.
SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2013.01.21 13:43:00 - [30] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: As a crude but effective measure, I'd say when you can go through the PS3 DUST 514 client and not find one SOONGäó, we will have arrived at Official ReleaseGäó. And like EVE, that might take several years, so enjoy!!! I hear a rumor that in a future build--don't get too pumped as no one knows the release date yet-- that we will be getting a new rifle and they're gonna tweak the repair modules for dropsuits! I'm sooo excited! And then in 2014, We might be able to exchange ISK with actual EVE players! But this will only be on a limited basis, as we don't want to break anything.

SUGAR-BOO-BOO Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.01.21 13:53:00 - [31] - Quote Pimp Hand Strong wrote: Did they ever decide if The NDA was going to be fully lifted and if uploading to youtube will be allowed during the open beta? Why would anyone continue to heed the NDA once this thing goes into open beta?
Perseus Gallento Mikwon Dynamics 12	Posted - 2013.01.21 14:41:00 - [32] - Quote SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote: Pimp Hand Strong wrote: Did they ever decide if The NDA was going to be fully lifted and if uploading to youtube will be allowed during the open beta? Why would anyone continue to heed the NDA once this thing goes into open beta? Look at this way: When you joined the closed beta, you agreed to the NDA. I doubt seriously CCP will send you an "official" release from that agreement. And if they don't, I think (I'm not a lawyer) you will be legally bound by it. What about those joining the open beta who were never bound by the closed beta NDA. Let's wait and see if they have to agree to an NDA.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 131	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:28:00 - [33] - Quote I'll be interested to see if game-reviewers are as receptive to the idea that this isn't a proper launch given the "rumor" that EVE has technically been in Open Beta for 10 years now. Also, if this isn't the launch, how many weeks head-start are you planning to give Closed Beta players (since the "rumor" is there will be no reset)?
Returner Tekki ZionTCD Legacy Rising 24	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:42:00 - [34] - Quote I don't see what the big deal is of having a release date for this game. The day CCP stops working on DUST or EVE is the day they take them off line. You should just consider DUST and EVE in open beta for life.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 311	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:42:00 - [35] - Quote Seriously, you can call it whatever you want, but the game has no more planned character wipes and money spent is permanent. We just have early access to what everyone else will be playing as a huge thank you for testing.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.01.21 16:50:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: I am not an expert but the rumor has it that Open Beta = Open Beta. :) Burned Since when did open beta = official release?
Ek'Lantius TH3 D1RTY BASTARDS 11	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:11:00 - [37] - Quote Is there going to be downtime for prep for the open beta? if so exactly when? if anyone knows..
DonRodie Deep Space Republic 5	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:32:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: I am not an expert but the rumor has it that Open Beta = Open Beta. :) lol this is what I always thought, but some people like to comfuse me.
Ner'Zul Nexhawk Talos Incorporated 153	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:51:00 - [39] - Quote Returner Tekki wrote: I don't see what the big deal is of having a release date for this game. The day CCP stops working on DUST or EVE is the day they take them off line. You should just consider DUST and EVE in open beta for life. God, you confuse it more and more, people. Why the fact that developers constantly add new content to a game means that the game is considered in open beta? Once again, people are not testing EVE, they've been playing it since 2003. Moreover, following this logic, EVE players are paying for an open beta... There were several cases where, yes, people had to pay in order to participate in beta. But I believe that EVE had a beta of its own, and March 23, 2003 marked the official release, when people now had to pay a sub fee in order to play. We won't have to pay anything come Official Release, true, but the game's state is going to be a lot more elaborate and cleaner than the current build. Ok, I've already said Ina previous post what I'm trying to say again, so I'll just quote it here: Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Has CCP confirmed this? I read a few people saying that the game is being released on the 22nd. I guess they're using the logic that everyone will have access to it and it will be a free to play game, so essentially.....the open beta is a full release. But I'm curious to know if CCP has said anything to confim truth in that Well it's not the official release as such, open beta is open beta BUT eve has been in open beta since 2003 and it never had an official release. If this was a disk title then it would be a different story, as you need the disk for it to be an official release, but as dust is a digital title then one could argue that although its an open beta it is being released to the general public and the open beta will seamlessly transition from open beta to whatever follows after that (full content, expansions etc). So while its not THE release, it's as good as (in digital title terms) I think you are incorrect, and here is the proof: "Eve Online was released in North America and Europe in May 2003" Certainly, EVE is in constant development, and new expansions are added quite often, but you have to pay a subscription for playing. And that, in most cases, indicates that the game is not being tested anymore. My point is, I think that if you'd take EVE from 2003, it would be by itself a complete standalone game, not lacking any content planned initially, etc. People were not testing this game anymore, they were playing it. Dust is clearly not at this stage at the moment. There are many things yet to be added in order to fulfill the devs' promises and tons of bugs to get fixed. A game in such state cannot be considered officially released under any circumstances, unless it's War Z. Moreover, there is lack of clarity in Dust 514 F2P model for me, which I think about in my thread "Official release and F2P model" . And even if the question I ask in that thread is proven wrong, I surely believe there is going to be an official release. I don't think CCP would stay as quiet as now if 22nd would mark the OR date. Oh, and please don't tell me that any MMO is constantly in open beta. Why? Because, following this logic, World of Warcraft is still in open beta. The craziest idea ever, IMO. And, as CCP Frame clarified, open beta = open beta. For the love of Empress Sarum, please don't confuse it with official release.
Ner'Zul Nexhawk Talos Incorporated 153	Posted - 2013.01.21 17:53:00 - [40] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP Frame wrote: I am not an expert but the rumor has it that Open Beta = Open Beta. :) Burned Since when did open beta = official release? You will not believe me, but some people actually argue that the two are equal in Dust's case.



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